[PublicAnimalNo9]

Thanos Thanos:

The police should withdraw entirely from black-majority areas and let them take care of their own security.

They did that years ago in an area of Detroit called the Cass Corridor. It...didn't work out so well.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

What is this illness and where did it come from? If it's not innate to black people, something must have happened to make them act this way (ie commit more crimes). In Canada it's the Natives that commit far more crimes/capita. Hmm, doubt if it's inborn to them either, so must be an illness. Any pattern here to discern?

Two "illnesses" that seem to come from growing up poor are brain damage in children and PTSD. Can we really just expect people dealing with these issues to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? I know you favor govt spending more money on helping soldiers deal with PTSD - you don't just tell them to suck it up and fly right. Poor Urban neighborhoods show the same incidence of PTSD as in soldiers returning from war. So might there be a role for the larger society to play in all this?

There definitely is, but it can't be things like charity, it can't be things like affirmative action and it can't be pandering to the ones who keep playing the race card so they can keep their power.

I honestly don't know what the real long term fix is and I'm not qualified to give anything but an opinion but, a start would be taking back the ghetto's of major cities from the corrupt politicians, gangs, and drug lords. But that won't happen until those communities want it themselves because, anytime the Gov't comes in to clean up the problems they get labelled racists by alot of the community and a segment of mainstream American society.

It's also interesting to note that every documentary you watch on TV like "Drugs Inc" etc. have interviews with residents who are terrified for their lives because of the lawlessness of these ghettos and the one common denominator they all mention is that the real problems started with the arrival of the hard drugs so, maybe they have to find a way to stop the flow of drugs into the communities but, putting the dealers in jail would be viewed as racist by some so I don't know if that would work.

They might also start by ending the charade that the Black communities have advanced far enough to run their communities without outside assistance because that's a joke just like it was in 1970s when the flawed Miliken Vs Bradley decision caused a mass migration of whites from the City cores leaving them to a completely unprepared black majority.

So, I guess long story short. The Black communities have to be convinced that their paranoia about everything white is wrong and that we all aren't out to get them. They also have to be convinced that the benefits of running out the drugs, the corrupt politicians, the race baiters, the guns and the gangs will make their communities safer, more liveable and outweigh most of the negatives.

On the flipside police and city officials have to make a conscious effort to ensure that what they do is by the book and above board so there can be no disputing things like the Michael Brown shooting by the race baiters. The also have to actually investigate and punish their own people when they're found to be at fault but, in no way shape or form should they ever kowtow to any group based on colour and anger level. The first thing they have to do is to change their policies to show the black community that the law is for everyone and colour doesn't matter. A tough sell but not impossible.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The first thing they have to do is to change their policies to show the black community that the law is for everyone and colour doesn't matter. A tough sell but not impossible.

It's about much more than the law, but even there, convincing blacks that color doesn't matter would require that the white community actually believes and acts on that - not there by a long shot.

You haven't really addressed poverty at all. When you have a system that will always relegate a certain percentage of the population to a marginal existence, you're not going to solve the other issues. Color doesn't matter here, it's not as if we don't have the same problems, or that even in the states it's only blacks that live this way. It's just that blacks are over represented because racism pushed them down there in the first place. Remove blacks from the equation (ie never had slavery) and you'd still have the same problems, just with white people. Inter-generational poverty because of the damage done to children growing up poor.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The first thing they have to do is to change their policies to show the black community that the law is for everyone and colour doesn't matter. A tough sell but not impossible.

It's about much more than the law, but even there, convincing blacks that color doesn't matter would require that the white community actually believes and acts on that - not there by a long shot.

You haven't really addressed poverty at all. When you have a system that will always relegate a certain percentage of the population to a marginal existence, you're not going to solve the other issues. Color doesn't matter here, it's not as if we don't have the same problems, or that even in the states it's only blacks that live this way. It's just that blacks are over represented because racism pushed them down there in the first place. Remove blacks from the equation (ie never had slavery) and you'd still have the same problems, just with white people. Inter-generational poverty because of the damage done to children growing up poor.

I didn't address poverty because, while a root cause it isn't limited to blacks and ghetto's so it can't really be used as the sole explanation of the acts of civil disobedience and violence being perpetrated by one community from the 1960's till now. Whenever they interview black people about the violence in their communities poverty comes in after the advent of drugs and gangs.

Getting people out of the ghetto and employed would definitely help but, programs like affirmative action have proven to be failures and have caused more backlash than sympathy for those they were intended to help. So to be honest it has to be black businesses owners that get that ball rolling and start building their communities from within. Now saying that, there could be some things like Gov't grants and assistance for people willing to start businesses in those communities and hire from within.

But and this is a big but, until the sane portion of the black communities take those communities back the chances of starting any meaningful businesses in them and hiring local isn't likely to happen, especially considering there's a good chance that'll they'll burned to the ground by the same people they're being created to help.