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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:14 am
 


I'd making a comment about purchasing used kit after the sub fiasco, but at this point beggars can't be choosers. If we don't purchase used then we'll have nothing at all. Let's just hope this goes better than the subs.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:34 pm
 


The US are retiring them because they cost too much to operate. It'll take a lot of fuel to operate those gas turbines to keep up with the frigates.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:00 pm
 


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I doubt that they'd let us mount our weapons on a rental unless we planned to use it on a middle east deployment which would pretty much defeat the purpose of renting them in the first place.

But on the plus side they use Gas Turbines so we'll have 4 ships worth of stokers that are already trained on the propulsion systems. :lol:


The ships were built with positions to accommodate the Phalanx, it wouldn't be any kind of radical alternation, hell the wiring is probably still there. Plug and play. Just fixing what they "broke". :)

The gas turbines are the same ones we use on our frigates. There's just more of them.



Those ships will be expensive to operate, then. Gas turbines are fuel sucking monsters and the fuel is a much higher and more expensive fraction than the goo that the Preserver, Protecteur, Provider burned. The Frigates only use their turbines when the CO wants to water ski. Those cruise diesels are brilliant and have "made" those Patrol Frigates.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:58 pm
 


If the Americans had any HJK oilers available those would probably be a more economical option and a few years ago they were looking to offload some of them.

Now I don't think any are available, and the few that were ended up being retained or snapped up by more savvy countries.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:30 pm
 


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The US are retiring them because they cost too much to operate. It'll take a lot of fuel to operate those gas turbines to keep up with the frigates.


Good.
Time to nationalize a couple of oil wells for the exclusive use of our new ship. :P


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:46 pm
 


Nuggie77 Nuggie77:
The US are retiring them because they cost too much to operate. It'll take a lot of fuel to operate those gas turbines to keep up with the frigates.


It'll still probably less than the 280's :D

But allow me to point out, we're only leasing them so, we aren't hopefully, going to have them for the next 40 years. Although I do have one question. Why, given the high cost of distillate, don't they build ships that run on LNG. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:16 pm
 


They could breed porkers down below and use the methane to propel the ship. They could sail the World's oceans, delivering fresh bacon and ham to trouble spots everywhere.


Authentic pig boats ...


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:42 pm
 


http://www.defensenews.com/article/2014 ... e-Resupply

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VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA — Canada’s Navy, facing several years of being unable to resupply its ships at sea or provide area air defense, will turn to its US and NATO counterparts to fill what officers say are significant gaps in those capabilities.

There is also the possibility the Royal Canadian Navy could acquire two surplus supply ships from the US Navy as a way to support its warships on international and domestic missions.

The Royal Canadian Navy will decommission its only two resupply ships as well as two of its three area air defense ships; effective immediately the ships, now tied up, will not return to sea.

Lack of funding to repair damages on some of the ships, along with the age of the 40-year-old vessels, is behind the decision, Navy officers say.

That leaves the Navy scrambling to find solutions on both how to protect its ships from air threats and also provide fuel and supplies for vessels at sea.

Vice Adm. Mark Norman, the head of the Navy, said the loss of the supply ships is of particular concern and must be dealt with as soon as possible. He noted the retirement of supply ships Protecteur and Preserver creates “a significant gap for Canada that we need to look to mitigate as quickly and as cost-effectively as we can.

“Options include potential enhancements, or additions, to existing agreements with key allies, as well as some made-in-Canada solutions,” Norman said. He declined to provide further details on potential solutions.

But the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported on Sept. 24 that the Navy is looking to buy two US Navy supply ships that are to be retired, the Bridge and the Rainier.

The US Navy could not provide comment. But a US Navy source said the Canadian Navy has been offered a number of options, from purchasing the two ships outright to leasing the vessels. In addition, there has been an offer from the US Navy to have one of its supply ships, at times, dedicated to provide support to the Canadian Navy, the source said.

Money to fund the Bridge stops at the end of this month. The ship is in a reduced operating status.

Rainier is on active duty but would follow the same process starting next year. There is, however, debate in the US Navy over whether to keep these ships operating.

Canadian Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Al Blondin said Canada is looking at various options for a supply ship. “We’re not in a position to discuss that,” he said, referring to the report about the possible acquisition of Bridge and Rainier.

Norman, in a September 2013 interview, acknowledged the Navy had been looking at private firms to provide supply ships. But he noted that there were various issues that hindered that option, including restrictions on the employability of a commercial vessel in a military support role.

Canada plans to spend CAN $2.6 billion (US $2.5 billion) on two new joint support ships to replace Protecteur and Preserver. But government procurement officials have confirmed those new ships will not be ready until 2019-2020.

The Navy is also retiring its Iroquois-class destroyers — Iroquois and Algonquin — which provide command and control as well as area air defense.

To make up for the loss of that command-and-control capability, the Navy will rely on upgrades being made to its Halifax-class frigates. The operations rooms on four of the frigates are being changed so a task group commander and staff can operate in the same area for command-and-control functions. Multifunctional displays and new radios will be installed in the four vessels.

To deal with the gap in area air defense, Canada will turn to its allies, in particular the US Navy, to provide such capabilities on coalition operations, Canadian Navy officers say.

Norman said the upgraded Halifax-class frigates are up to the job. “In many respects, a modern, highly capable frigate like we’re producing in the Halifax-class through the modernization, is as capable in most respects if not more capable than what is now 20-year-old technology in the legacy Iroquois class.”

The command-and-control and area air defense capability will eventually be assumed by the proposed Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) fleet.

At one point, the Navy optimistically envisioned the first CSC entering service in the 2014-2015 timeframe.

But work on the CSC fleet has been delayed over the years as the Department of National Defence funding for major equipment programs was directed to more pressing needs for the Afghanistan war and the recapitalization of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

The first CSC is expected to be delivered in 2023. The last ship will enter service in 2035.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:08 am
 


http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/ ... capability

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The U.S. Navy was also offering to dedicate a supply ship, at times, for the RCN.

But sources tell Defence Watch that the U.S. Navy was less than thrilled when the RCN came back with a massive list on when such supply ships were needed. The suggestion was that Canada was milking the favour to the extreme.


USN: Yeah sorry to hear you Canucks are so hard up, just letting you know that if you ever need an oiler we'll send one, crew included. :)

RCN: Oh really? That's great! I've set up a detailed list of dates on when we'd need one... and we're looking at pretty well every day except Christmas. And St. Paddy's day.

USN: :|


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:00 pm
 


USN: :|



The good news is that the annual Caribbean Cruise out of Slackers is coming up fast!

.... suntans and ganja!


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