[GreenTiger]

There are times when I think that the early Crusaders had the right idea. I am given to understand that through DNA we may be able to resurrect the carrier pigeon. Can we resurrect Charles Martel?

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Her historical reference to what Islam was doing hundreds of years ago holds zero water. Does she know what the US was doing hundreds of years ago ? Does she know what the whole of Europe and the Roman empire was doing for thousands of years.

Before the 20th century, there is no country that isn't guilty of crimes that we would consider absolutely heinous by today standards. Equal rights, end to slavery, woman's right are all new conventions to western society.

Bitch needs a history lesson.

Edit: Spelling mistake

No Delwin. You need a history lesson.

She's saying nothing that is not true. The ideological drive pushing ISIS has not changed since the Muslim scourge killed, robbed,raped and enslaved it's way off the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century advantaging off weaker states. False equivalency does not change that fact. The Koran has served as a manual of strategy for 1400 years of oppression and atrocity. ISIS is doing now what the original followers of Mohammed did back even before then under his instruction.

There are no equal rights in ISIS. Dhimmis pay the Jizya just as they did 1400 years ago. ISIS still has slavery. Women's rights? Are you joking? Under ISIS they have the same rights they had 1400 years ago - the right to service men sexually as slaves or as breeding stock under religious authority.

Nothing has changed in the motivation and practice of ISIS between their current practices and what their ideological forefathers were doing 1400 years ago. She is correct.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

I'm actually glad that the Canadian government has finally succeeded in the task of destroying our own military through budget cuts.

Canada's refusal to carry its weight as part of NATO is going to be a bit of an issue with the Ukraine-Europe crisis unfolding. Yes, Germany is balking, too, but for different reasons. The Germans have an aversion to a well-funded military but Canada just wants to spend their money elsewhere and default the defense of Canada to the USA.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/03 ... g-targets/

I'm not kidding in the least here when I say that if the Baltic states are bucking up then Canada's going to have to buck up, as well, or else be asked to withdraw from full participation in NATO. You don't get a say in the operation of the alliance if you're not going to make a meaningful contribution to it.

Keep in mind I'm just saying it the way it is. No offense intended.

Canada has a lot of shame on it's plate, regardless of who is in control of the government when it comes to military preparedness. There's no excuse for it. Giving up the ability to engage in overseas operations in exchange for more concentration on domestic defense would have been one thing. To deliberately gut the ability to do both is ridiculous.

The German question is interesting. The media should be looking deeper into the connections between the German government and Putin, especially in how it's been alleged that it was German expertise provided by Rheinmetall that is apparently responsible for the increase in the quality of Russian tactics in Crimea. It's been stated that the Germans, due to their post-war guilt over how the Nazis behaved against Soviet civilians, generally give Russia a lot of leeway on their behaviour. Deliberately stonewalling NATO efforts to coral Putin are something else than sympathy towards a former enemy though. It's more like a double-cross in the making. This problem in Berlin could have been the reason the US had so much intelligence gathering going on in Germany, an effort that was pretty much entirely derailed (thanks to the antics of the "patriotic" whistleblower Edward Snowden (who now conveniently lives in Russia) and Glenn Greenwald). Germany might be deciding that it's participation in NATO is no longer in it's best interest anymore and that as the de facto great power of Europe they no longer have to take direction anymore from the US. A twin-headed dragon could be forming between Moscow and Berlin that could toss the entire current world order into chaos if their direction becomes increasingly more and more anti-US.

[Delwin]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Delwin Delwin:

Her historical reference to what Islam was doing hundreds of years ago holds zero water. Does she know what the US was doing hundreds of years ago ? Does she know what the whole of Europe and the Roman empire was doing for thousands of years.

Before the 20th century, there is no country that isn't guilty of crimes that we would consider absolutely heinous by today standards. Equal rights, end to slavery, woman's right are all new conventions to western society.

Bitch needs a history lesson.

Edit: Spelling mistake

No Delwin. You need a history lesson.

She's saying nothing that is not true. The ideological drive pushing ISIS has not changed since the Muslim scourge killed, robbed,raped and enslaved it's way off the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century advantaging off weaker states. False equivalency does not change that fact. The Koran has served as a manual of strategy for 1400 years of oppression and atrocity. ISIS is doing now what the original followers of Mohammed did back even before then under his instruction.

There are no equal rights in ISIS. Dhimmis pay the Jizya just as they did 1400 years ago. ISIS still has slavery. Women's rights? Are you joking? Under ISIS they have the same rights they had 1400 years ago - the right to service men sexually as slaves or as breeding stock under religious authority.

Nothing has changed in the motivation and practice of ISIS between their current practices and what their ideological forefathers were doing 1400 years ago. She is correct.

I'm not saying it is not true, it's about as true as me saying "white people have been killing each other for thousands of years." No fucking kidding.

Any reference to the actions of a religion or culture before the year 1900 is an absolute moot point since all of humanity was a bunch of barbaric pricks.

Her isolation of Islam as having acted poorly for hundreds of years because of the actions of what ISIS is doing is an joke and just serves to fuel her slack-jawed raving idiot viewers. The same methodology could be applied every time an injustice is enacted on a Black person in the US. "The US has been doing this to black people for hundreds of years"

Isis actions are as completely independent of whatever the fuck Islam was doing 200 years ago as my actions are independent of my great great grandfathers. I doubt they even know what the history of the region was 200 years ago. Her trying to draw a connection is unfair and hateful.

[martin14]

Delwin Delwin:

Isis actions are as completely independent of whatever the fuck Islam was doing 200 years ago as my actions are independent of my great great grandfathers. I doubt they even know what the history of the region was 200 years ago. Her trying to draw a connection is unfair and hateful.

Just because you have a 30 second attention span, doesn't apply to others.

Lots of people know what was going on 200 years ago.

Just ask Serbs and 1389. That was over 600 years ago.


Islam, the religion of peace, is just doing the same thing over and over.

[Thanos]

Yeah, for all their other numerous faults Muslims in general don't seem to be anywhere near as colossally ignorant of their own history as people in North America and Britain typically are.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Yeah, for all their other numerous faults Muslims in general don't seem to be anywhere near as colossally ignorant of their own history as people in North America and Britain typically are.

We also don't hold grudges for hundreds and hundreds of years.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

The German question is interesting. The media should be looking deeper into the connections between the German government and Putin, especially in how it's been alleged that it was German expertise provided by Rheinmetall that is apparently responsible for the increase in the quality of Russian tactics in Crimea. It's been stated that the Germans, due to their post-war guilt over how the Nazis behaved against Soviet civilians, generally give Russia a lot of leeway on their behaviour. Deliberately stonewalling NATO efforts to coral Putin are something else than sympathy towards a former enemy though. It's more like a double-cross in the making. This problem in Berlin could have been the reason the US had so much intelligence gathering going on in Germany, an effort that was pretty much entirely derailed (thanks to the antics of the "patriotic" whistleblower Edward Snowden (who now conveniently lives in Russia) and Glenn Greenwald). Germany might be deciding that it's participation in NATO is no longer in it's best interest anymore and that as the de facto great power of Europe they no longer have to take direction anymore from the US. A twin-headed dragon could be forming between Moscow and Berlin that could toss the entire current world order into chaos if their direction becomes increasingly more and more anti-US.

Personally, I think you are going way deeper into this than is required.

EU is a mess with Germany propping up much of it. Russia represents a large enough portion of the German economy to put an end to that.

So, they ride a fine line, praying that they can keep all of their trading partners and defacto control of the EU through their ability to maintain their status as the EU economic powerhouse.

[Thanos]

Rarely losing means that you don't have to hold a grudge. It's only the repeat losers that do, e.g. Germans after 1919, Russians after 1991, Muslims apparently always. Be nice one day though if American conservatives got over their anger against the hippies for "costing" them a big ol' win in Vietnam.

[ShepherdsDog]

Israelis and Arabs shake their heads at Europeans.....we go from being best friends to killing each other in the millions to being best friends again, over a couple generations. The only thing we like better than killing wogs, is killing each other.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Yeah, for all their other numerous faults Muslims in general don't seem to be anywhere near as colossally ignorant of their own history as people in North America and Britain typically are.

Speak for yourself. My kids and I are enthusiastic fans of the Horrible Hisotry books. (Apparently there was a show too). It goes into great detail on all the icky parts. And let's face it, that's the fun part of history, not this "Well actually the Vikings were really traders..." politically correct balderdash.

[ShepherdsDog]

Don't get me started on peaceful pastoral societies. Every major invasion in Eurasia was the result of farmers looking for better farmland or herdsmen looking for better grazing land for their herds.

[Thanos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Don't get me started on peaceful pastoral societies. Every major invasion in Eurasia was the result of farmers looking for better farmland or herdsmen looking for better grazing land for their herds.

"Fuckin' farmers, man. I hate them."

- Andrew Dice Clay

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You don't get a say in the operation of the alliance if you're not going to make a meaningful contribution to it.

We never got a say in how it was run when we spent like a drunken in the 1950s or 60s either, so what's the difference now?

We equipped the Europeans (Belgians and Dutch) with divisional sets of army equipment, stationed 12 fighter squadrons and close to 10,000 soldiers over there and built a 60 ship navy and still never had any real influence in events in Europe. We were just supposed to do as our supposed betters (the Americans) told us to.

While I fervently wish we spent more on defence, the US will NEVER look at us as anything close to an equal - we're considered a virtual client state by most American administrations, no matter how much "contribution" we make.

The only ones who were ever really grateful we were over there the Europeans (the Germans mostly), as they knew our bases meant instant involvement in any conflict with the Soviets.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Keep in mind I'm just saying it the way it is. No offense intended.

Likewise...

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Rarely losing means that you don't have to hold a grudge. It's only the repeat losers that do, e.g. Germans after 1919, Russians after 1991, Muslims apparently always. Be nice one day though if American conservatives got over their anger against the hippies for "costing" them a big ol' win in Vietnam.

Bill Ayers jumping in front of a bus would go a long way to making us feel better.