[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

WUWT exists to further a particular viewpoint. That is its raison d'etre. For that reason I wouldn't refer to it as an aggregator site.

Well it aggregates, but yeah, it's more a blog. The aggregation I was talking about there was it's reference sections. Look up top under the title.

The aggregator site where I saw the global sea ice record claim was Climate depot. It has a "particular viewpoint", and can put together pieces on its own but deals more in links and Google will identify it as an aggregator site.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't suggest anything. The published study does. And the study goes back to the late 1800's. But anyone who read it would know that.

Are you sure? Because I just read it, and damned if I can find data from the 1800s. Who would even keep data on wave intensity in the Beaufort sea in the 1800s? Who was even measuring arctic ice extent pre satellite?

In fact the paper I read said,

$1:

There are few previous studies of waves in the Arctic Ocean; they have focused mostly near the coasts or on local effects [Francis etal., 2011; Squire et al., 2009; Bogucki et al.,2013].

Of the previous studies,Francis et al. [2011] in particular showed a strong
trend of increasing surface wave heights in the Arctic. The observations reported
here are the only known wave measurements in the central Beaufort Sea

Are you sure you read that paper?

No, you are right. I read "There are 1880 points" as "There are points from 1880....". Aaa, dyslexia.

Doesn't change much though. There are still large ocean waves in years without major storms.

[N_Fiddledog]

Yes you can have waves without storms, but a storm will crack up the ice and give you higher waves. So you can have an exceptional year of ice loss without exceptional global warming. 2012 was such a year, or at least that's what I was hearing in 2012.

So you don't necessarily have an inexorable trend with waves creating greater ice free area growing year to year melting multi-year ice until all ice gone. The ice bounced back in 2013, and it looks like its on track to stay constant at about 2013 levels for 2014. We'll know in September.