[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

And mine is with the concept of justice; because this isn't it.

I agree. Wood should have been executed years ago.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

I guess I must be the only person here who is against the death penalty.

And you're not really against the death penalty at all.

When your government deploys troops to go kill people then they're carrying out a death penalty.

Euthanasia is a death penalty and, as I recall, you support it.

You just have a problem with proven criminals paying the ultimate price for their crimes.

If it makes you feel any better (and I suspect it won't) my ardently pro-life acquaintances from California Pro Life are also against the death penalty because they oppose any and all taking of life. If you'd like to join them and support their cause then I'd say you're against the death penalty.

Otherwise you just oppose it when it doesn't meet your particular conditions.

Sort of like myself who opposes abortion of the unborn but is perfectly fine with aborting adult jihadis.

[herbie]

xerxes xerxes:

I guess I must be the only person here who is against the death penalty.

No there are others who aren't barbarians around. We just work quietly to ensure our country remains civilized.

[Strutz]

martin14 martin14:

$1:

The officers fired, striking Wood several times. Wood was transported to a local hospital where he underwent extensive surgery.

In a way it's too bad that he survived being shot by the police. It would have saved many years of tremendous money spent just to lead to the same result.


Lethal injection just does not seem the way to go anymore as too often there ends up being controversy over it. Although, no method of execution could ever be considered "humane"...

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

xerxes xerxes:

I guess I must be the only person here who is against the death penalty.

No there are others who aren't barbarians around. We just work quietly to ensure our country remains civilized.

Uh-huh.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/o ... -1.2678584

$1:

Forcillo, who is free on $510,000 bail, was suspended with pay, but quietly returned to active duty at Toronto Crimestoppers in an administrative role in February.

That's a tacit endorsement of state-sponsored murder right there. Be sure to pop me a memo when this thug gets his paycheck cancelled.

[xerxes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

I guess I must be the only person here who is against the death penalty.

And you're not really against the death penalty at all.

When your government deploys troops to go kill people then they're carrying out a death penalty.

Euthanasia is a death penalty and, as I recall, you support it.

You just have a problem with proven criminals paying the ultimate price for their crimes.

If it makes you feel any better (and I suspect it won't) my ardently pro-life acquaintances from California Pro Life are also against the death penalty because they oppose any and all taking of life. If you'd like to join them and support their cause then I'd say you're against the death penalty.

Otherwise you just oppose it when it doesn't meet your particular conditions.

Sort of like myself who opposes abortion of the unborn but is perfectly fine with aborting adult jihadis.

Good points but those are all different circumstances.

If you're a soldier and you've put on the uniform, you've accepted that you may have to fight and die at some point.

I support euthanasia because that's about personal freedom.

My problem with cases like this is that this nothing more than state sanctioned revenge. If a private citizen fed another person a cocktail of drugs that took 2 hours to kill they would be facing the death penalty. But when a government does it, it's "justice".

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

I support euthanasia because that's about personal freedom.

So Bart is right, you really don't have a problem with people dying,
just the conditions around it.


Your value of life is flexible.

$1:

My problem with cases like this is that this nothing more than state sanctioned revenge. If a private citizen fed another person a cocktail of drugs that took 2 hours to kill they would be facing the death penalty. But when a government does it, it's "justice".

You obviously have forgotten about the victims in this case.

He wouldn't be facing the death penalty without killing 2 people beforehand.


But I agree, they should stop with the 'humane injections' bullshit.
Get it over with as fast as possible.

[xerxes]

martin14 martin14:

xerxes xerxes:

I support euthanasia because that's about personal freedom.

So Bart is right, you really don't have a problem with people dying,
just the conditions around it.


Your value of life is flexible.

$1:

My problem with cases like this is that this nothing more than state sanctioned revenge. If a private citizen fed another person a cocktail of drugs that took 2 hours to kill they would be facing the death penalty. But when a government does it, it's "justice".

You obviously have forgotten about the victims in this case.

He wouldn't be facing the death penalty without killing 2 people beforehand.


But I agree, they should stop with the 'humane injections' bullshit.
Get it over with as fast as possible.

Like I said it depends on the situation.

But as to your second point, I again feel the need to quote Aristotle: "The law is reason freed from passion". Our outrage over the senseless death of the victims shouldn't cloud our senses to the fact that this execution was cruel and inhumane. And that that the US stands alone among all the Western nations that still engages in this medieval form of "justice".

[N_Fiddledog]

The firing squad sounds like a good idea, but some of us might be tempted to go for the knee-caps (or let's be honest, the nuts).

Me, I'd go for the head shot, but first I'd shout at him, "Glad to hear you found Jesus. When you see him tell him I said oops."

[Xort]

Know what also works? A gas mask and a helium tank.

Strap the person in a chair, put the mask on, turn the gas on and in a few minutes they are dead without pain or failure.

No need to shoot someone and have blood spill or do damage to the body.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

xerxes xerxes:

But as to your second point, I again feel the need to quote Aristotle: "The law is reason freed from passion". Our outrage over the senseless death of the victims shouldn't cloud our senses to the fact that this execution was cruel and inhumane. And that that the US stands alone among all the Western nations that still engages in this medieval form of "justice".

That's because the US is one of the only Western countries that isn't drowning in lefty whitewash, yet. The idea that the death penalty is not justice but merely revenge/vengeance us utter hogwash.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that making sure garbage, like Joseph Wood, has a roof, clothes and 3 squares a day while [potentially] having access to cable and internet is an absolute insult to justice.

[bootlegga]

xerxes xerxes:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

I guess I must be the only person here who is against the death penalty.

And you're not really against the death penalty at all.

When your government deploys troops to go kill people then they're carrying out a death penalty.

Euthanasia is a death penalty and, as I recall, you support it.

You just have a problem with proven criminals paying the ultimate price for their crimes.

If it makes you feel any better (and I suspect it won't) my ardently pro-life acquaintances from California Pro Life are also against the death penalty because they oppose any and all taking of life. If you'd like to join them and support their cause then I'd say you're against the death penalty.

Otherwise you just oppose it when it doesn't meet your particular conditions.

Sort of like myself who opposes abortion of the unborn but is perfectly fine with aborting adult jihadis.

Good points but those are all different circumstances.

If you're a soldier and you've put on the uniform, you've accepted that you may have to fight and die at some point.

I support euthanasia because that's about personal freedom.

My problem with cases like this is that this nothing more than state sanctioned revenge. If a private citizen fed another person a cocktail of drugs that took 2 hours to kill they would be facing the death penalty. But when a government does it, it's "justice".

+5

[Thanos]

Xort Xort:

Know what also works? A gas mask and a helium tank.

Strap the person in a chair, put the mask on, turn the gas on and in a few minutes they are dead without pain or failure.

No need to shoot someone and have blood spill or do damage to the body.

Any inert gas or even carbon monoxide would work too. H2S as well. Fast knock out into unconsciousness with breathing stopping practically immediately. Be over very quickly with very little suffering at all. Put together a proper ventilation system and the guards/witnesses/whoever else in the area shouldn't be at risk themselves

I wonder why if they're going to fry/gas/lethal inject someone that they don't sedate them first, like a couple of hours before the procedure. Seems common sense to do this just to avoid a horrific display of crying, screaming, and spasming if something goes wrong during the execution.

Guillotine still seems the most effective and humane. The bad rep for beheading came from the ridiculous need to do it in public, like in front of those disgusting mobs of low-class Parisians during the French Revolution. Keep it a closed procedure attended by a bare minimum amount of witnesses and it doesn't become part of a spectacle for the sadistic and morally depraved.

[Unsound]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

That's because the US is one of the only Western countries that isn't drowning in lefty whitewash, yet. The idea that the death penalty is not justice but merely revenge/vengeance us utter hogwash.

So what is it then? It's not a deterent. And it's not rehabilitation.


In fact, I'd go so far as to say that making sure garbage, like Joseph Wood, has a roof, clothes and 3 squares a day while [potentially] having access to cable and internet is an absolute insult to justice.

Might be, but it beats the alternatives. It always struck me as funny that the same poeple who are quick to defend the death penalty are often the smae people who go on and on about government being too big, or not trusting the government and so on. They don't trust the state to regulate banking or pass good environmental laws but they\re willing to give this kind of power to the state? Just strange to me.

[Freakinoldguy]

Xort Xort:

Know what also works? A gas mask and a helium tank.

Strap the person in a chair, put the mask on, turn the gas on and in a few minutes they are dead without pain or failure.

No need to shoot someone and have blood spill or do damage to the body.

You do know that given the record of fucked up executions that they'd likely botch that method too?

But it'd be really hilarious when they cried out in that Alvin and the Chipmunks high pitched voice just before they died.

Nothing like a moment of levity at a state sanctioned execution.

I've got nothing against the execution of these animals but, since we can put other species down humanely we should be able to do the same for these abhorent creatures.

So until they can come up with a method that doesn't traumatize the people carrying out the execution and the viewers they should just revert to the old tried and true methods of a bullet to the back of the brain pan delivered by one of the victims relatives.