[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe someday some evangelical Christians will come along and show that they aren't completely hypocritical and vicious dumb fucks that only do things for political reasons and not because God demands it of them. Never gonna happen in my lifetime though. The game just isn't played that way.

Millions do everyday. Nobody gives two shits, or any recognition, unless it is front page media.

Media...the royalty of reductio ad absurdum.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Yet the Hobby Lobby stock plan invests in pharmaceutical companies that manufacture and distribute the exact same products that they claimed it was immoral for them to have to supply to their employees thru their health care plan.

Maybe someday some evangelical Christians will come along and show that they aren't completely hypocritical and vicious dumb fucks that only do things for political reasons and not because God demands it of them. Never gonna happen in my lifetime though. The game just isn't played that way.

I gotta smile here cause you're all indignant about assumed hypocrisy, but wait a minute, is that Mother Jones at that link. Are you not the guy who almost poops your pants if somebody so much as notices that the Blaze exists. Does the critique of partisan sites not apply when they're left wing partisan sites?

I smile, but it doesn't actually bother me. The fact that it's partisan does not make it unacceptable to me, but their bias must taken into consideration.

OK, so Mother Jones tells us, "It was only in 2012, when the Greens considered filing a lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act, that they dropped these drugs from the plan."

The activist lefties of MJ truly are amazing. Apparently they read minds now. And in any case it doesn't matter as far as the legality of the decision, what it decides, or even the righteousness of that decision.

Even if the hypocrites at Mother Jones are correct that Hobby Lobby people are hypocrites it does not affect whether or not the decision is right or wrong,

[Thanos]

The links in the MJ article all went to reputable sources, which certainly never applies when guys like you post your garbage from shitheads like Limpbaugh or Breitbart.

[Thanos]

peck420 peck420:

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe someday some evangelical Christians will come along and show that they aren't completely hypocritical and vicious dumb fucks that only do things for political reasons and not because God demands it of them. Never gonna happen in my lifetime though. The game just isn't played that way.

Millions do everyday. Nobody gives two shits, or any recognition, unless it is front page media.

Media...the royalty of reductio ad absurdum.

Too few that are too far in between. The rest appear to be little more than Sunday morning seat-fillers in the pews who think their two hours attendance once a week makes them equivalent to Jesus himself. Or they're the type that are differentiated from the Taliban only in the prophet that they worship. All the positive lessons that their belief system allegedly has appears to elude them entirely for some reason. Just mean and ugly little bullies in an echo chamber that makes them meaner and uglier than they were the day before, controllers that hate what they can't control. Not much God, at least not one worth believing in, inside of most of them at all.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Too few that are too far in between. The rest appear to be little more than Sunday morning seat-fillers in the pews who think their two hours attendance once a week makes them equivalent to Jesus himself. Or they're the type that are differentiated from the Taliban only in the prophet that they worship. All the positive lessons that their belief system allegedly has appears to elude them entirely for some reason. Just mean and ugly little bullies in an echo chamber that makes them meaner and uglier than they were the day before, controllers that hate what they can't control. Not much God, at least not one worth believing in, inside of most of them at all.

Yup...that completely explains why the majority of North American charities were found by Christians, and other Catholic sects.

Because they are all just ugly little bullies.

I guess you are some sort of whack job? You are Canadian, and so is Terry Nelson.

All Austrians are terrible cause Hitler was Austrian.

Should I keep the absurdities coming?

[Thanos]

Some good and fully justified vitriol here. Not often that I agree whole heartedly with the anger machine at Jezebel but in this instance they're 100% right.

$1:

Earlier today, five men agreed that closely held corporations with anti-birth control religious beliefs cannot be required to provide contraceptive coverage to female employees. Corporations are people, my friend. Women? Not so much.

The decision to declare women Unpeople was a narrow one; the five men agreed that corporations (people) shouldn't be able to use Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby to justify discriminating against anyone except women (lesser people-ish entities), and won't be able to use it to deny other health care besides contraception. The same religious exemption to the Affordable Care Act that applies to nonprofit organizations also applies to for-profit companies controlled by a small group of people who think birth control is black magic. This ruling applies to whore pills only. Not to blood transfusions, AIDS retrovirals, vaccines, treating infections caused by getting a SATAN RULES tattoo with an infected needle at an unsafe tattoo parlor, antibiotics purchased to fight off a nasty case of the clap caught while raw dogging a stranger in a bar bathroom. Just birth control. No matter why a woman needs it.

The five men also agreed that their ruling only applies to corporations (people) with "sincerely held" religious beliefs. You know, the kind of religious beliefs that are so sincerely anti-birth control that they invest in and profit from companies that manufacture birth control. The kind of religious beliefs that cite as justification for their beliefs a series of religious texts written before Western Medicine as we know it existed.

If corporations are people then why can't I punch one in the fucking face?

Today, five men on the Supreme Court said that women's reproductive health care is less important than a woman's boss's superstition-based prudery and moral trepidation about fornication for female pleasure. They ruled that it doesn't matter if birth control actually causes abortions; it only matters if business owners sincerely believe that birth control causes abortions. They ruled that it's okay for a corporate person to discriminate against a female semi-person and dictate that she not spend her compensation on stuff that might possibly be enabling sex without consequences, if they believe that God thinks they should. Female semi-persons who work for these company-persons can simply obtain their birth control directly through the government, say the five men of the Supreme Court, the same way female employees of religious-based nonprofits are supposed to (religious-based nonprofits, by the way, have mounted challenges to signing a piece of paper indicating that they object to birth control, because that objection would indirectly sanction their whoreployees' birth control by admitting that they weren't getting it through work. So we've got that legal clusterfuck to look forward to, now).

The five men of the Supreme Court made pains to specify that this only applies to bosses who specifically object to women who want to use a portion of their compensation to obtain a pharmaceutical that will help them not get pregnant. But the actual women of the Supreme Court — each of whom joined in dissenting from the majority Five Man Opinion — see things differently.

In a dissent I'm bound by SCOTUS commentary tradition to call "blistering," Ruth Bader Ginsburg said that the decision "of startling breadth" that could unleash "havoc" on American society (in fact, Mother Jones surmises that 90% of all American businesses fit the criteria to be classified as "closely-held corporations," so, gird your loins, ladies. Literally). She wrote that for-profit companies, unlike nonprofits, don't exist to further an agenda beyond money making and therefore cannot be said to have religious beliefs, and points out that one of the forms of birth control objected to by the fact-ignoring folks at Conestoga Wood and Hobby Lobby is the IUD, which, if purchased and installed without the help of insurance, would cost about as much as a woman earning minimum wage would make in a month. "The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield," she wrote.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby (and its all-female legal team) today, I suspect, because there simply aren't enough women in positions of power to counter the latest attack on contraception from the right. There aren't enough people in government — or on the Court — who know personally what it feels like to be a low-income woman who does not want to become pregnant.

None of the five men behind the majority ruling have have ever suffered from endometriosis, painful periods, dangerous pregnancies, or simply risked becoming pregnant at a time that they weren't mentally, fiscally, or physically prepared for a pregnancy. They bought Hobby Lobby's "RELIGIOUS LIBERTY!" argument despite the fact that Hobby Lobby doesn't personally object to covering vasectomies for men; their religion only applies slut panic to women. The Court won't classify Hobby Lobby's woman-only scientifically illiterate objections to contraception as "discrimination" against women. But it would be discrimination if Hobby Lobby's religious objections applied to black people or gay people. Are you following? Me neither.

Who would have guessed five schlubby law nerds would be capable of such a stunning display of mental gymnastics?

For years, it seems that the men who run things in this country have been dancing around the implication that women aren't people, at least when put up against other, more important things like men, corporations, zygotes, and male feelings. But now, finally, in the year 2014, two generations removed from the first Supreme Court case that established that states can't make it illegal to purchase contraception, five dudes on the highest court in the land have put this in writing. It's not that women don't matter, it's that they matter measurably less than a corporation's "conscience."

But everything isn't bleak doom and gloom. Not yet, at least. Women are lucky that they have Justices Beyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Bader Ginsburg in their corner (NEVER DIE, RUTH BADER GINSBURG!). Some pundits are speculating that this legal clusterfuck serves to further justify permanently decoupling health care coverage with employment at some point down the road. Others are hopeful that this case, the judicial abortion that I sincerely believe that it is, will galvanize women (and men) who don't like their bosses all up in their shit to actually vote this November.

Your boss can't stop you from doing that.

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Others are hopeful that this case, the judicial abortion that I sincerely believe that it is, will galvanize women (and men) who don't like their bosses all up in their shit to actually vote this November.

Your boss can't stop you from doing that.

For now, but I'm sure they're working on doing exactly that.

I'd suggest a 2nd Amendment solution to this in that, not resorting to violence yet. But secular American women really should arm themselves to the exact same degree that the right wing "Christian" fundamentalist men have. Then march, avec firearms, on the Supreme Court, on Congress, on the White House, on every GOP convention, on every yearly CPAC gathering, on every corporate head office that's run like Hobby Lobby, and on every capital building in every red state. And especially on every church and mosque that have actively advocated the destruction of their secular rights. And then keep doing it until the Jesus-fueled busybodies finally smarten up, show some respect for the privacy of others, and leave them the hell alone.

Nah, what am I saying. If they attempted to use the 2nd Amendment to protect their rights the batshitters would bring in gun control (not to be applied to themselves of course, just for (ahem) the other non-Real American types) so fast that it'd make everyone's head spin.

This is the game. This is how it's played.

[Thanos]

peck420 peck420:

Thanos Thanos:

Too few that are too far in between. The rest appear to be little more than Sunday morning seat-fillers in the pews who think their two hours attendance once a week makes them equivalent to Jesus himself. Or they're the type that are differentiated from the Taliban only in the prophet that they worship. All the positive lessons that their belief system allegedly has appears to elude them entirely for some reason. Just mean and ugly little bullies in an echo chamber that makes them meaner and uglier than they were the day before, controllers that hate what they can't control. Not much God, at least not one worth believing in, inside of most of them at all.

Yup...that completely explains why the majority of North American charities were found by Christians, and other Catholic sects.

Because they are all just ugly little bullies.

I guess you are some sort of whack job? You are Canadian, and so is Terry Nelson.

All Austrians are terrible cause Hitler was Austrian.

Should I keep the absurdities coming?

Too few genuine Christians condemn the political over-reach by other self-described "Christians" when their political activities succeed in harming the secular rights of others. Just like too few Muslims condemn their radical co-religionists that engage in terrorism. Maybe because it's due to intimidation and fear of reprisal for speaking out. Regardless, silence equals consent and it only encourages the radicals to range out even farther in their endless need to suppress others as their religion apparently commands them to do.

Not much need for you to toss out the insults either, pal. Don't know why you came up with that.

[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

All Australians are terrible because Hitler was Austrian.

Pardon the play on your words but anymore this is what seems to pass for logic with some folks. It's hard to argue with these types because their logic is so mercurial.

And thank you for mentioning the Christian missionaries.

Lisa and I support a few of them but in particular I'd like to take this opportunity to mention three such missions that do amazing work:

Mike & Erin Pettengill have been in Honduras for six years and in that time they've used their donations to build a school, to build their city's best clinic, they've started a disaster relief response program, and they've been planting churches and schools across the country (and even Juan Orlando Hernández - the President) has stopped by to see them.

http://www.pettengillmissionaries.org/


Heart 2 Heart International provides critical help to the orphans of Romania who are primarily atheist and Roma (Gypsies) and whose lives, at best, are bleak in a country that hates the Roma. Lisa and I have been to Romania several times now and our mission work has not been glorious, it mostly involves holding babies who've never been cuddled, playing with the boys, teaching girls how to dress, and we've helped get some of the kids into jobs after they leave the orphanages. The work is heartbreaking and I absolutely admire those dedicated souls who have made it their life's work to save those a society would cast away.

http://www.h2hint.org/


And then there's Courage 2 B You which is now called Courage Worldwide. C2BU started out combatting human trafficking (sex slavery) along the Interstate 5 corridor in Sacramento County (California). Their missionary work caught fire and has now taken on a worldwide reach that has involved law enforcement from at least fifty countries. A recent worldwide bust helped end the 'MyRedbook' prostitution and trafficking website in California and in Sacramento alone six underage girls were rescued from pimps. The most dangerous work these folks have engaged in has been in Thailand and in mainland China where the local authorities are usually complicit with the criminals.

Courage has rescued some 2,000 girls and boys from traffickers over the past decade and this from a mission group that started out of a local church right here in Sacramento.

http://courageworldwide.org/

I encourage you all to visit these sites and, if you can, send them a couple bucks. What you'd spend at Timmies's tomorrow morning can literally save a life.

[Thanos]

Good for them. It's nice to see a few Christians here and there that actually care about what happens to children after they've emerged from the uterus and not just before.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

If they attempted to use the 2nd Amendment to protect their rights the batshitters would bring in gun control...so fast that it'd make everyone's head spin.

Au contraire. You bring all the guns you want. We'll bring ours and we'll congratulate you for asserting your rights all while we assert ours.

And if a bunch of poorly trained leftists wanted to get rowdy we'd be happy to demonstrate the original meaning of well regulated for you.

Seriously, never tell a liberal to bring a gun to a gunfight. It's just not going to turn out too good for the liberal.

[Xort]

Thanos Thanos:

sniped picture about bacon flavored birth control

Instead it costs as little as $8 a month, if you buy generic brand from walmart. If a woman selects a longer term device it costs even less.

I think that medical coverage in the US should be seen as a form of wage or compensation. I don't think an employer should have a say in how an employee spends their compensation.

[BartSimpson]

Xort Xort:

Thanos Thanos:

sniped picture about bacon flavored birth control

Instead it costs as little as $8 a month, if you buy generic brand from walmart. If a woman selects a longer term device it costs even less.

Here's the best birth control device:



Of course, this works, too:

[xerxes]

[Public_Domain]

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

The links in the MJ article all went to reputable sources, which certainly never applies when guys like you post your garbage from shitheads like Limpbaugh or Breitbart.

Well first of all that's not true. Second of all I showed you how your Mother Jones link relied on a guess by them to make their point. It was based on their bias as to what was motivating Hobby Lobby's actions. They presented their wishful thinking as fact.

BTW is it worth remembering that today's ruling bases its decision on an act passed into law in 1993 The Religious Freedom Restoration Act by Democrat President Bill Clinton.