[PublicAnimalNo9]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

peck420 peck420:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

To be fair here, a Native group did the same thing on the Bruce Peninsula quite a few years ago. They said that no cottage or land owners would lose their property, and so far no one has AFAIK.

Would that be before or after they kicked out 60 families and destroyed their cottages?

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2012/0 ... resolution

Is this what you speak of?

I'm not sure what right they had to bar removal of the buildings. The land may have been theirs, but the cottages sure as hell weren't.

I stand corrected. 68 properties on the Bruce were affected as a result of the creation of a new reserve.
Various levels of govt expropriate properties from time to time too but I guess when them uppity Injuns do it they're just assholes.
As for removing the buildings, that would require a number of heavy trucks far too big for the road in Hope Bay and the road leading into it anyway.

[BRAH]

A few Native activists will always try to claim land was stolen etc such as the few who are currently saying the land the new Rogers Place arena in Edmonton is being built on is stolen land. While these activist are a few their voices possibly do carrying weight if more jump on the bandwagon.

[saturn_656]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I stand corrected. 68 properties on the Bruce were affected as a result of the creation of a new reserve.
Various levels of govt expropriate properties from time to time too but I guess when them uppity Injuns do it they're just assholes.
As for removing the buildings, that would require a number of heavy trucks far too big for the road in Hope Bay and the road leading into it anyway.

Feasibility of removal depends on the nature of the building. Prefabs can be taken apart relatively easily and reassembled elsewhere.

What could have been moved should have been allowed to be moved.

[Winnipegger]

You know, I hesitate, but we had a similar problem in Manitoba. Hydro needs to run a new power line to southern Manitoba. They keep building new hydro dams, generating more power. The new line was going to run down the east side of Lake Winnipeg, because power came from dams in northern Manitoba that were even farther east. The eastern route is most direct. But some natives demanded money to run a power line on "their" land. But the land isn't theirs, it's Crown land. The route wouldn't go through any reservation.

There were proposals for Hydro to build a gravel road to construct this power line, and connect that road to various communities that don't currently have any road at all. Communities on the east side are only accessible by boat or float plane. During winter they build an ice road on the lake. A gravel road would provide all year access to bring in supplies. But no, certain native leaders thought they could get money from Hydro, so wouldn't accept anything else.

Currently the government is planning to build that power line west of Lake Manitoba. Not the Interlake, that's where power lines currently run, so for power security Hydro wants the new line to run somewhere else. The west route triples cost of the line, and longer line means more power loss.

The east side of Lake Winnipeg is covered by a numbered treaty. That treaty states the reservation is their land, no one can take it away. But it states the rest of the land is Crown land. Natives are allowed to harvest resources from land that isn't developed, but once land is developed they cannot. And it explicitly states the government's intention to develop that land. They can't claim they didn't know.

In defence of natives, I should expand on "no one can take reservation land away". It would require an act of federal Parliament to take land away from a reservation. Even the federal cabinet cannot. Provincial governments cannot. So at Oka, when a small town tried to expropriate reservation land for a golf course, that expropriation was null and void. But again, that's reservation land. The numbered treaties resolved land claims over a century ago. (Treaty 11 isn't quite a century, but it isn't in Manitoba.) What is called "Traditional Resource Area" is not their land, it's Crown Land.

So I agree with...

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So what exactly did they print that was untrue? Crown Lands are just that, Crown Lands and not owned by Natives despite what the fuck they seem to think.

[saturn_656]

The land in dispute at Oka was, AFAIK, not reserve land.

The Mohawks had put in a land claim for the area prior, but it was rejected by the feds.