[andyt]

Let's say mom was planning to ritually sacrifice this kid, the worst mom ever. How does that let the government off the hook? You have no idea what mom's story is, maybe the kid was just more than she could handle. This kid was on trichloroethanol, similar to chloral hydrate - what's up with that? Asking questions of the govt might prevent the next kid's death, pointing fingers at mom won't do a damn thing. I've known kids that were removed over fairly minor issues from their parents, only to be sexually or physically abused in foster care. Damn right the parents start asking questions in those cases.

[Goober911]

Thanos Thanos:

Just noting that while it's fun to blame the gummint for stuff 'n' things that go bad, there's someone else that should be asking some questions here too. What was mommy (and daddy too, if anyone knows who he is or where he might be) doing with her lifestyle choices that the kid ended up in government care in the first place? The media going to this woman, when it was her lifestyle that was so depraved and potentially dangerous to her own child that the girl had to be removed from her own home, like she's some kind of blameless victim is just ridiculous.

That does not absolve the Govt. They had custody and a duty of care.

[Thanos]

Never said the govt was innocent. Just said that mommy probably isn't either if it was her behaviour that caused her child to be in govt custody.

[Regina]

Xort Xort:

Regina Regina:

Let me remind you of the outragious claim you made. You said there were thousands of patients that died from recieving improper medication every year. Clearly that is not the case and you are now trying to link other causes to your claim.

The claim that only 10 people died from the misapplication of medication in 15 months in Ontario isn't believable. That number is far too low to be believed given what is known about developed nations medical systems.

It would so greatly break from the trend that their must be a very good reason why it's at least 98% lower than the systems in the USA, UK, Germany, France...

As such the hospitals' reported numbers are misleading. Either by methodology of the reporting, a bias in how things are reported, a failure to properly investigate the cause of death, simple human error in the data collection or last and least likely intentional misreporting of deaths by staff.

$1:

Im also not going to bother searching for any related data just to prove you wrong. Admit you made an idiotic and exagerated comment and move on........or contnue proving that ignorance has no bounds.

So not only are you not going to bother with your own research, your going to claim that you are so sure you are right that you don't even need to look anything up.

A celebration of your own ignorance and bias.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Xort Xort:

Regina Regina:

Let me remind you of the outragious claim you made. You said there were thousands of patients that died from recieving improper medication every year. Clearly that is not the case and you are now trying to link other causes to your claim.

The claim that only 10 people died from the misapplication of medication in 15 months in Ontario isn't believable. That number is far too low to be believed given what is known about developed nations medical systems.

It would so greatly break from the trend that their must be a very good reason why it's at least 98% lower than the systems in the USA, UK, Germany, France...

Yeah, you're comparing a province with entire countries! Not to mention there are various medications with questionable side-effects that are available in the US and Europe that are NOT available here.
But it seems the primary cause of accidental death from drugs in Canada is a result of accidental overdose. Not because doctors are prescribing heavy doses of opioid pain killers but because they assume patients will take them according to the directions.

In Ontario it's quite possible the numbers are that low considering the doctors in this province have become very reluctant to hand out scripts for heavy duty opioid pain killers like oxys.

[Xort]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah, you're comparing a province with entire countries!

In relative terms not absolute ones. The rate of medication deaths is very similar between all developed nations health care systems. Even the US's private / public monster.

$1:

In Ontario it's quite possible the numbers are that low considering the doctors in this province have become very reluctant to hand out scripts for heavy duty opioid pain killers like oxys.

I could believe a 50% reduction, maybe.

But to claim that only 10 people died from a drug related issue in Ontario's health care system over 15 months is not credible.

Given that the rate of accidental deaths for Ontario's system is dead center for all the other systems, they must be truly dropping the ball in some other aspect to make up the majority of deaths causes in the other systems.

(the follow numbers are not the actual numbers, just made up to make the point)
Put it like this, in every other system 100 per 100,000 die in care, 60% die from drug related causes. In Ontario 99 die per 100,000 but only 0.01% die from drug related causes.

The number of people killed by the misapplication of drugs in the Ontario system should be in the range of 1 to 2 thousand per year. If that was the reported number it would be just about dead center for the developed world. What is being reported is 100 to 200 times lower.

100 to 200 times lower.

That number isn't believable. This is bullshit detector 101 stuff.

And yet... even with the 200 times better drug use, some other factor[s] almost completely makes up for this world leading drug system and kill enough people to raise the number of dead back to the world average.

So which is it? A system that's 200 times better than everyone else in one aspect, yet fails at some other aspect to almost perfectly 'fill up' the numbers to fit the average, or something about the methodology used to report the numbers is wrong?

[BRAH]

Meh, there will be public hearings, grandstanding and nothing will change that's the way Government rolls.