[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Exactly--shooting the messenger. The story is about two papers about to be published indicating that the break up of the west antarctic ice sheet is likely irrevocable. That is the story. At WUWT, they decided instead in to go after the journalist reporting the story.

No, that's not it. You don't get it. Do you know who Andrew Reyvkin is? He has nothing to do with Watts. If anything he would be the Anti-Watts.

He's this New York Times reporter who used to run a blog that was infamously warmist.

So even he is having problems with the way the Guardian is betraying the press release.

That's the story Watts is telling. Even a warmist like Andrew Reyvkin is having a problem with this one.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

No, that's not it. You don't get it. Do you know who Andrew Reyvkin is? He has nothing to do with Watts. If anything he would be the Anti-Watts.

He's this New York Times reporter who used to run a blog that was infamously warmist.

So even he is having problems with the way the Guardian is betraying the press release.

That's the story Watts is telling. Even a warmist like Andrew Reyvkin is having a problem with this one.

I completely get that. But what about the part concerning the break-up of the west antarctic ice sheet. What happened to that part of the story?

[Jabberwalker]

... a "Warmist?" ... like it's some sort of flaky, fringe ideology? I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the "deniers" are the ones out on the flaky fringe. Either that or they're in the pay of all of those Virginia coal mines ... remind me of the tobacco lobby.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

No, that's not it. You don't get it. Do you know who Andrew Reyvkin is? He has nothing to do with Watts. If anything he would be the Anti-Watts.

He's this New York Times reporter who used to run a blog that was infamously warmist.

So even he is having problems with the way the Guardian is betraying the press release.

That's the story Watts is telling. Even a warmist like Andrew Reyvkin is having a problem with this one.

I completely get that. But what about the part concerning the break-up of the west antarctic ice sheet. What happened to that part of the story?

According to what I gleaned from the morass of speculation about an as-yet unpublished paper the ice sheet *might* break up sometime in the next 20,000 years and, if it does, it will be unstoppable.

Anymore all I hear in every single bit of scaremongering warmist claptrap are the disclaimers such as:

Could, if, might, maybe, estimated, etc.

It could get warmer.

If it gets warmer sea levels could rise catastrophically.



Yes, and monkeys might fly out of my a$$.

Now if that latter phenomenon were to be reported in the alarmist media it would likely look like:

$1:

Scientists report that a California man might be infected with a rare form of Macaca mulatta erupting from his rectum! David Suzuki and Dr. James Hansen of NASA both comment that afflictions of this nature could be due to nascent patterns of climate disruption.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

bootleggers sig bootleggers sig:

Arnold Schwarznegger on Climate Change - If 98 doctors tell me my son is ill and needs medication and 2 do not, I listen to the 98. The same can be said about climate change.

Did you know that in the 70s and early 80s hormone replacement therapy was the standard "treatment" for women going through menopause? Even though a handful of doctors spoke out against it, the vast majority went along with it. The "study" was written by a single individual who doctored the study. Years later it was determined that hormone replacement therapy not only had a negligible effect on reducing the symptoms of menopause, but it greatly increased the risk of cancer.
Just because a bunch of people with degrees agree on something, doesn't automatically make them correct.

[Jabberwalker]

Oh well, if the medical community something wrong, then climate change must be a myth. It's only logical.

[DrCaleb]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Oh well, if the medical community [got] something wrong, then climate change must be a myth. It's only logical.

Sadly, this is too often the logic some people follow.

[ShepherdsDog]

Good thing Copernicus and Galileo bucked the consensus thing.

[2Cdo]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Good thing Copernicus and Galileo bucked the consensus thing.

And I'll bet they heard some variation of the "science is settled".

[ShepherdsDog]

Question it ....and they could be excommunicated and imprisoned.....Gee is Suzuki a time traveler?

[Zipperfish]

Even at the time of Galileo, the Church was already reconciling a heliocentric universe. The Catholic CHurhc had a lot of smart thinkers at the time, and the writing had been on the wall sice Copernicus. Galileo posited a clockwork universe that, according to the POpe at the time--Urban somebody or other--obviated the need for God. Turns out the Pope was right, at least as far as our understanding now of quantum physics, chaos theory and Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. The universe isn't clockwork.

The ice sheet is melting because it's getting warmer. That's what happens. There is more heat around the surface of the earth because of increased CO2 with re-radiates outgoing longwave radiation back to the surface.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Oh well, if the medical community something wrong, then climate change must be a myth. It's only logical.

Good to see your reading comprehension skills are sub-par cuz that's exactly what I said

You see, your logic appears to be that if a bunch of degreed people agree on something, it MUST be a fact.

However, since it appears that "Nothing can stop the retreat of West Antarctic glaciers" one can assume we are doomed anyway so why bother wasting money pretending we can do anything about "AGW"?

OTOH, if the doom and gloomers would shut the fuck up for two minutes we'd see/hear that based on current scientific projections from the climate science community, by the end of this century water levels could rise by as much as 3-5 whole centimeters.
Hardly the apocalyptic end of society that morons like Suzuki et al like to spew from their pie holes.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

The Catholic CHurhc had a lot of smart thinkers at the time, and the writing had been on the wall sice Copernicus.

Careful, you'll upset those who fervently believe that the Church was/is the enemy of learning.

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Good to see your reading comprehension skills are sub-par cuz that's exactly what I said

You see, your logic appears to be that if a bunch of degreed people agree on something, it MUST be a fact.

However, since it appears that "Nothing can stop the retreat of West Antarctic glaciers" one can assume we are doomed anyway so why bother wasting money pretending we can do anything about "AGW"?

One could assume that. Or, one could assume that maybe those thousands upon thousands of scinetists who have been saying for decades that global warming is real might be on to something.

[andyt]

No, No, galileo was right, which means all those scientists are wrong, if I understand the argument correctly. I think it goes like this: "most scientists agree with my bias, trust the science." "Most scientists don't agree with my bias, remember Galileo." Meantime, lets elect govts that defund those fucking scientists once and for all. Who do those smartypants think they are anyway?

But PA9 made a good point - if the loss of the ice is inevitable, as the paper says, lie back and enjoy it. Same with global warming. If we are causing it with our emissions, well lie back and enjoy it, because we'll never reduce them in time to make a diff. We're just not built that way. Just Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb