[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The way I heard it rote learning is no longer considered cool. They stress the method above learning fact, or something like that.

Look, this is not really my issue. I just hear a lot of people really worked up about it from my side of the political spectrum down in America.

I know one of them is Michelle Malkin. If you really want to know what all the excitement is about Google 'Michelle Malkin common core'.

One thing I do remember her being worked up over was something about Gates wanting to keep a database on kids or something...Wait...

OK, here you go on that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... lle-malkin

In fact here's a list of her Common Core posts. Click on some of those if you want to know why the right is upset.

http://michellemalkin.com/?s=%22common+core%22

Actually it's not even just the right anymore, but see what they're saying and learn how the fight began.

My only real point is Common Core is a big issue in America, and getting bigger all the time.

What? Conservatives upset about government sharing info with private companies and captive marketing to students? Is that new? I thought you guys were all for that!

See: Advertising in Text Books and report cards as a "market solution" to funding public education, or just about any discussion on privatisation schemes in general.

[saturn_656]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

For us, if you got the answer correct without showing your work you still got full marks for solving it, but that was a gamble because if you got the answer wrong and didn't show your work, you got a 0 for it.

If you know the answer, no worries.

I used the love math, HS ruined that for me. Just looking at a textbook makes me physically ill.

[N_Fiddledog]

I don't really know enough about Common Core to bash it. But here's some critique from others who think they do.

$1:

Who’s funding these public relations pushes? D.C. lobbyists, entrenched politicians and Big Business interests.

The foundational myth of Common Core is that it’s a “state-led” initiative with grassroots support that was crafted by local educators for the good of all of our children. But the cash and power behind the new ad campaign tell you all you need to know. For parents in the know, this will be a refresher course. But repeated lies must be countered with redoubled truths.

As they prop up astroturfed front groups and agitprop, D.C.’s Common Core p.r. blitzers scoff at their critics as “black helicopter” theorists. Don’t read their lips. Just follow the money. This bipartisan power grab is Washington-led and Washington-fed. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s elementary: All Common Core roads lead to K Street.

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/03/21/ge ... overlords/

Common Core

$1:

usurps local control, impedes academic achievement and undermines family privacy

$1:

Assessing Common Core is inextricably tied to the big business of data collection and data mining. States that took the Race to the Top bribes in exchange for adopting Common Core must now comply with the edutech requirements of two private testing conglomerates, the Partnership for the Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers or the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium. Common Core states also agreed to expand existing statewide longitudinal database systems that contain sensitive student data from pre-kindergarten through postsecondary education...

Under the Obama administration, Grand Canyon-sized loopholes in the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act have already opened data mining of students’ personally identifiable information (Social Security numbers, disciplinary records, biometric data, etc.) to third-party private entities.

$1:

The Common Core gold rush is on. Apple, Pearson, Google, Microsoft and Amplify are all cashing in on the federal standards/testing/textbook racket. But the EduTech boondoggle is no boon for students. It’s more squandered tax dollars down the public school drain.

Even more worrisome: The stampede is widening a dangerous path toward invasive data mining.

$1:

Common Core de-emphasizes correct answers by awarding kids points for reasoning, even when they don’t quite get there.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/01/01/c ... n-one-size

$1:

The twisted pedagogy is the same in all of these curricular fads: Encourage “critical thinking” and “explaining” of “how and why” over time-tested, efficient methods of “drill and kill” first. Abandon memorization and computation for social justice, multiculturalism , and self-esteem.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/28/fu ... -epidemic/

$1:

Feeling over facts. Cultural connection over competence. Diversity uber alles.

Johnny won’t be able to add. But he’ll be more ethno-mathematically correct than students from around the world.

Welcome to the Post-Accomplishment Generation.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/st ... ayan-math/

$1:

So, why can’t Johnny do math? Because Johnny’s teacher can’t even do fractions:

Too many teachers are too busy bloviating about the self-esteem benefits of Everyday Math to bother with the basics.

1 + 1 = I feel good about math, so who cares?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/30/wh ... t-do-math/

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

What? Conservatives upset about government sharing info with private companies and captive marketing to students? Is that new? I thought you guys were all for that!

I don't think so. I think the mistake you are making there may be the one you guys from the left often make. You seem to think that because you all walk single file down a line of group think that is what everybody must do.

No. Conservatives differ from leftist pod people in that not all of them think alike. With Common Core for example there seems to be a group of pro-Common Core conservatives led by people like Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee, and a group of anti-common core conservatives led by mothers, educators, and new media people hard line against them.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

What? Conservatives upset about government sharing info with private companies and captive marketing to students? Is that new? I thought you guys were all for that!

I don't think so. I think the mistake you are making there may be the one you guys from the left often make. You seem to think that because you all walk single file down a line of group think that is what everybody does.

No. Conservatives differ from leftist pod people in that not all of them think alike. With Common Core for example there seems to be a group of pro-Common Core conservatives led by people like Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee, and a group of anti-common core conservatives led by mothers, educators, and new media people hard line against them.

Well one can certainly understand why Jeb Bush is all for it

[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

Ahh, all your points are stupid. Srsly.

Says the guy who can't be bothered to spell out his words.

[BeaverFever]

Pod people. That's rich.

[BartSimpson]

The upside of Common Core will be a generation of kids who will spend their careers asking important questions like, "Do you want fries with that?"

Meanwhile, the kids of people like Obama (who go to the best private school in the USA) will be the ruling class by the simple default of their ability to make change.

Denying most Americans an education is what this is about. Ignorant people are far easier to control than are people who command a body of irrefutable facts.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Pod people. That's rich.

Also accurate.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I don't really know enough about Common Core to bash it. But here's some critique from others who think they do.

$1:

Who’s funding these public relations pushes? D.C. lobbyists, entrenched politicians and Big Business interests.

The foundational myth of Common Core is that it’s a “state-led” initiative with grassroots support that was crafted by local educators for the good of all of our children. But the cash and power behind the new ad campaign tell you all you need to know. For parents in the know, this will be a refresher course. But repeated lies must be countered with redoubled truths.

As they prop up astroturfed front groups and agitprop, D.C.’s Common Core p.r. blitzers scoff at their critics as “black helicopter” theorists. Don’t read their lips. Just follow the money. This bipartisan power grab is Washington-led and Washington-fed. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s elementary: All Common Core roads lead to K Street.

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/03/21/ge ... overlords/

Common Core

$1:

usurps local control, impedes academic achievement and undermines family privacy

$1:

Assessing Common Core is inextricably tied to the big business of data collection and data mining. States that took the Race to the Top bribes in exchange for adopting Common Core must now comply with the edutech requirements of two private testing conglomerates, the Partnership for the Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers or the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium. Common Core states also agreed to expand existing statewide longitudinal database systems that contain sensitive student data from pre-kindergarten through postsecondary education...

Under the Obama administration, Grand Canyon-sized loopholes in the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act have already opened data mining of students’ personally identifiable information (Social Security numbers, disciplinary records, biometric data, etc.) to third-party private entities.

$1:

The Common Core gold rush is on. Apple, Pearson, Google, Microsoft and Amplify are all cashing in on the federal standards/testing/textbook racket. But the EduTech boondoggle is no boon for students. It’s more squandered tax dollars down the public school drain.

Even more worrisome: The stampede is widening a dangerous path toward invasive data mining.

$1:

Common Core de-emphasizes correct answers by awarding kids points for reasoning, even when they don’t quite get there.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/01/01/c ... n-one-size

$1:

The twisted pedagogy is the same in all of these curricular fads: Encourage “critical thinking” and “explaining” of “how and why” over time-tested, efficient methods of “drill and kill” first. Abandon memorization and computation for social justice, multiculturalism , and self-esteem.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/28/fu ... -epidemic/

$1:

Feeling over facts. Cultural connection over competence. Diversity uber alles.

Johnny won’t be able to add. But he’ll be more ethno-mathematically correct than students from around the world.

Welcome to the Post-Accomplishment Generation.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/st ... ayan-math/

$1:

So, why can’t Johnny do math? Because Johnny’s teacher can’t even do fractions:

Too many teachers are too busy bloviating about the self-esteem benefits of Everyday Math to bother with the basics.

1 + 1 = I feel good about math, so who cares?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/30/wh ... t-do-math/

Ok, so it's because Obama, Drones, and Socialism.

How you come to a Conclusion is important. Sorry. Anyone can Memorize anything, but if they have no clue as to Why an answer is the answer, they have not learned anything useful.

[N_Fiddledog]

sandorski sandorski:

Ok, so it's because Obama, Drones, and Socialism.

Ah so we have a graduate.

Thank you for the Common Core illustration. Offer them facts and it converts into rhetorical drivel.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

Ok, so it's because Obama, Drones, and Socialism.

Ah so we have a graduate.

Thank you for the Common Core illustration. Offer them facts and it converts into rhetorical drivel.

What Facts have you offered? All you have stated was rhetorical drivel from the start.

[Jabberwalker]

Clearly, there wasn't enough standardized testing back then ...

[andyt]

sandorski sandorski:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

Ok, so it's because Obama, Drones, and Socialism.

Ah so we have a graduate.

Thank you for the Common Core illustration. Offer them facts and it converts into rhetorical drivel.

What Facts have you offered? All you have stated was rhetorical drivel from the start.

But, but, it's ranted rightwing rhetorical drivel, that's alliterative, and that's a fack, Jack.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Seriously, Google common core math and click on images. Prepared to be confused and a little scared