[andyt]

He's in full rage mode because I dared to diss Harper. Reality is a tenuous concept for him right now.

The BBT episode with perchloroethylene just came on - synchroniticy. You left out that she was at the drycleaners.

[Delwin]

Lol. Too funny. Yeah because the dry cleaners was what made the joke work.

[andyt]

Context is everything.

[Thanos]

Delwin Delwin:

Thanos Thanos:

The police, thanks to being backstabbed by the politicians at Oka, Ipperwash, and Caledonia, don't want to act anymore because they know they'll be crucified by social liberals and the media regardless of what they do.

Oka - Decision Maker - Brian Mulroney(Majority Government)

Ipperwash - Decision Maker - Mike Harris(Majority Government)

Caledonia - Decision maker - Mike Harris (Majority Government)


Tell me the part again where the mishandling of these events was all because of the Liberals.

Small-l liberal policy. The label on the government in power is essentially meaningless. Conservative politicians paralyzed as much into inaction by liberal policy as much as Liberal politicians are, with a recent example being the Harper Conservatives not doing much of anything to stop the fraud and grifting being openly committed by Theresa Spence. And Dalton McGuinty, Liberal majority government, bears almost the entire blame for Caledonia, especially for deliberately preventing the OPP from doing their damn job.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

pretty well throwing the kitchen sink there, huh? Is that before or after you puked in it? Now you know yourself, when you have a lucid moment, that most of what you're trying to hang on me there is bullshit. I mean why no use something I've actually said if you want to argue? What is it that's got you so upset? Must be hard to harbor so much rage for no reason? You're not really that far up Harper's ass that my criticisms of him produce such anger, are you? Christ, what are you going to do if he loses next election?

Your two-faced bullshit routine isn't fooling anyone here. Cut the crap already.

[ShepherdsDog]

That's Andy's standard MO. One thread he'll be all over the natives or anyone with extra melanin, and in the next he'll pretend to defend them. He's about as genuine and classy as a $20 Tim Sha Tsui Lolex

[Delwin]

Thanos Thanos:

Small-l liberal policy. The label on the government in power is essentially meaningless. Conservative politicians paralyzed as much into inaction by liberal policy as much as Liberal politicians are, with a recent example being the Harper Conservatives not doing much of anything to stop the fraud and grifting being openly committed by Theresa Spence. And Dalton McGuinty, Liberal majority government, bears almost the entire blame for Caledonia, especially for deliberately preventing the OPP from doing their damn job.

I am still confused about how this is the fault of the liberals. Maybe if you could give a single example of a conservative proposal or policy that has done anything the change the situation, it would make some sense. However, as you say, no one has taken a hardline stance on the issue, so you throwing out the liberal this, and liberal that, is really just painting yourself as some ranting raving partisan who is more interested in bashing than actually addressing the issue or the facts.

[Thanos]

All I'm interested in is getting little kids out of perilous situations like the one that killed Phoenix Sinclair and keeping them out of them permanently. The failed policy of family reunification above everything else has to come to an end, not matter how much these sons of bitches in the Native power structure like Derek Nepinak scream about racism. Racism is the least important consideration. If these kids have to be permanently fostered in white homes to keep them safe from their lousy fucking drunk & drugged up parents just so they actually have a chance to stay alive long enough to have a decent life then so be it. Caving in to accusations of racism, a dirty political tactic that is almost exclusively associated with liberals, is getting these children killed.

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[Delwin]

I agree that there is nothing racist about wanting to keep track of these children. I myself was a crown ward and removed from my home from a bad situation and have benefited greatly from it. My foster parents were teachers and were really amazing and provided me with the opportunity to find my own way. It's hard to imagine that if I wasn't white, I could've been stuck in the situation and never gotten out.

I think it is more racist to not intervene.

[Delwin]

It's probably about funding though. The less they have to look after, the less they can put in their budget.

[andyt]

Who are they? I read this as the FN's wanting to be given the funding to run their own social services, but not wanting the province to look into how it is being used. That's the usual story with FN's in situations like this. In BC we've also had some disasters where the kids were placed with relatives by Native social services and then abused or even killed. Social services bends over backwards to place the kids with FN families, because to do otherwise would be racist. But, since as this article pointed out, so many of the kids in care are Native, there just aren't enough good native homes available, so some very poor choice are made.

[Thanos]

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desertdude desertdude:

I think the problem is there is no one from the FN on this board to actually tell their side of the story. If I were to believe just what I read n this board about them ( and to be honest this is the only place I ever do hear about them ) it pants a pretty grim picture, but something tells me there is more to it than just that.

The few that have come here have gotten shouted out with "jokes" about laziness and drug abuse, and being expected to speak for people they don't personally know or give a shit about

Too be fair and more accurate to CKA most of the alleged Natives we got here were clowns like Chauchee who came in like he'd been smoking crack for three weeks straight and insulting the fuck out of everyone. Maybe you sloughed off being called a "colonist" or "settler" by those kind of idiots but I certainly didn't.

[OnTheIce]

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The few that have come here have gotten shouted out with "jokes" about laziness and drug abuse, and being expected to speak for people they don't personally know or give a shit about

Or as we call it, "the truth".

[BartSimpson]

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desertdude desertdude:

I think the problem is there is no one from the FN on this board to actually tell their side of the story. If I were to believe just what I read n this board about them ( and to be honest this is the only place I ever do hear about them ) it pants a pretty grim picture, but something tells me there is more to it than just that.

The few that have come here have gotten shouted out with "jokes" about laziness and drug abuse, and being expected to speak for people they don't personally know or give a shit about

The few I can recall (Donny Brasco, for instance) were distinctly unpleasant people who managed to alienate even the people who generally support FN issues.

I won't deny the fact that the FN are their own worst enemies but the best thing that can be done for them is nothing at all. If they want to be 'nations' then cut off aid and stop meddling with them and let them be.

The Western compulsion to 'do something' about every injustice (real or imagined) is not necessarily one of the finer attributes of our culture. Sometimes our idea of help causes far more trouble than the problem we were trying to solve.

Leave the FN alone *unless* they decide to end the reservation system and assimilate into society.

On an aside, I've never understood why a white separatist who lives on his own land and minds his own business is vilified and has to be persecuted by the same authorities who think that Native Separatism is some sort of Holy virtue that has to be enabled and protected by law.

Either both are wrong or both are benign. The injustice is in not treating everyone equally.