[commanderkai]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

[Psst! Remember that Trans Canada pipeline that's heading further East? It can connect with all sorts of North-South pipelines already built along the Eastern Seaboard. There's the export route! It's almost complete, too!]

There's all sorts of pipelines that cross north south right there in the Prairies region and the US Great Plains too

http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocID=227299

[Thanos]

I like the part where a temporary easement for a utility corridor amounts to "seizure of my land!". And the landowner will be receiving some kind of rental/lease payments into perpetuity for access to the corridor for maintenance and regular inspection of said utility? Son of a bitch! Worse than Hitler! It's like worse than something Stalin would have thought up!

Fucking idiots. Someone give me a shout someday when something happens that isn't automatically equated to the antics of the Third Reich. Might take a while but maybe it'll happen one day. Hopefully I'll still be around to see it.

[jj2424]

Delwin Delwin:

Right, so I think we can all agree that the best course of action here if the pipeline goes through, is for the ranchers to band together, form militias and stand up to the big bad government. That's the consensus right?

Fill yer boots. They would be fighting against each other and maybe you can go down there and join up.


"Left wing nuts against anything Harper likes"

[Delwin]

Ok sounds good, as long as we are in agreement that individual property rights only have merit when they are opposing a left wing issue like protecting the wildlife and environment, and absolutely zero merit when opposing a right wing policy like the proposed pipeline.

[jj2424]

Delwin Delwin:

Ok sounds good, as long as we are in agreement that individual property rights only have merit when they are opposing a left wing issue like protecting the wildlife and environment, and absolutely zero merit when opposing a right wing policy like the proposed pipeline.

Trudeau loves it....



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/justin-tru ... -1.2251745

who ya gonna vote for now?

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

So, I am going to assume that this will be opposed by all the conservatives on the issue ? Or does this only work for freeloaders with armed militias?


Montana farmers, ranchers continue fight against Keystone XL pipeline

"I don't believe my land should be taken and my rights infringed for somebody else's gain," Garoutte says. "But, you know, they can outspend us a zillion to one. We are ranchers and farmers, we work for a living, we neither have time nor an excess of money."


http://tarsandssolutions.org/in-the-med ... l-pipeline

Hmmm. This is a tough one.

In US law pipelines are legally akin to railroads and they have special rights under Federal law because they are a form of interstate transportation. The government is within its rights to allow a pipeline to transit private property but in concert with just compensation for loss of use and etc.

Because after the pipeline is installed the rancher will enjoy the full prior use of their land and (if they're shrewd) they'll have negotiated ongoing compensation for the use of their land.

Were I a rancher I'd have far less objection to a pipeline than a 765KV high-tension electrical transmission grid transiting my land.

In any case, the environmental arguments are the only thing in the arsenal to stop an interstate pipeline because of the special rights that pipelines enjoy.

And the reason they're legally similar to railroads is because most pipelines are operated by railroads alongside railroad right-of-way.

This is also different from the BLM trying to harass a rancher out of their lawful and vested rights to a property. Similar topics, granted, but this one is within the law and the other is turning out to be a violation of many laws.

[BRAH]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The Sisko is displeased!


DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz says with a straight face that President Obama didn't delay review of the Keystone Pipeline for political reasons
Oh those Dumb Democrats.

[commanderkai]

BRAH BRAH:

DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz says with a straight face that President Obama didn't delay review of the Keystone Pipeline for political reasons
Oh those Dumb Democrats.

What's worse, is that there are people who actually believe that.

[Unsound]

commanderkai commanderkai:

BRAH BRAH:

DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz says with a straight face that President Obama didn't delay review of the Keystone Pipeline for political reasons
Oh those Dumb Democrats.

What's worse, is that there are people who actually believe that.

I'd like to meet one of those people.

[Delwin]

There are obvious legal issues over property rights in Nebraska, the feds just can't go in all willie-nillie and start confiscating lands. Citizens have constitutional rights you know.

[BRAH]

commanderkai commanderkai:

BRAH BRAH:

DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz says with a straight face that President Obama didn't delay review of the Keystone Pipeline for political reasons
Oh those Dumb Democrats.

What's worse, is that there are people who actually believe that.

What's troubling is people will believe this BS and continue voting these people in who shape U.S. policy that directly impacts Canada. As for Debbie she has a track record of being out of touch with reality.

[commanderkai]

Delwin Delwin:

There are obvious legal issues over property rights in Nebraska, the feds just can't go in all willie-nillie and start confiscating lands. Citizens have constitutional rights you know.

Actually from what I remember, the big issue in Nebraska was that the pipeline crossed through the Nebraska Sand Hills which was a more pressing concern of the Nebraskan governor.



That change satisfied his concerns. Obviously a few land owners might raise a fuss, but people will raise a fuss about anything that might inconvenience them, even if they will benefit from it in the long term.

[Delwin]

Fate of Keystone Pipeline project up to Nebraska Supreme Court

The pipeline's proposed route has been sought legal action by three landowners, who has challenged a state law that had given Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman the power to approve it.


http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/53 ... V6hBI0X.99


Keystone Pipeline Fate Now in Hands of Nebraskan Jurists

The U.S. State Department, which is responsible for reviewing whether the project is in the nation’s interest, said April 18 that it would delay making a recommendation until legal questions about the way the route was approved through the prairie state are resolved. That could spare President Barack Obama from having to decide on a project that splits supporters of his in the environmental and labor movements before an important congressional election in November.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-2 ... rists.html