[desertdude]

Yes I understand how people would love if Canadians filled Canadian jobs but I've been saying this and so does the article its not like you call up the Philippines and order some workers and in a few days they land at your doorstep its is a very complicated procedure and takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to get approval and have the worker actually land here.

And again a lot of people are making a lot of noise without actually addressing what the article mentions.

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she and all the staff received letters from the three brothers who own the restaurant.

She says about half of the workers are Canadians. The other half are temporary foreign workers.

"Due to changes in operations we are currently discharging all of our staff," the letter says.

i.e all of them were fired which was according to her own words a 50/50 mix.

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Some of them were subsequently hired back, including two waitresses who are temporary foreign workers.

Some hired back out of which only two were Temp FW. So she is now bitter that why she wasn't the one who was hired back.

I'm not saying this is right but a lot of it is over sensationalized and lot of people here make a lot of noise of losing dem jobs to those darn foreigns. Without actually having any clue to as how their own immigration system works. Alot think its just as easy as buying a ticket and just showing up in Canada and thats about it.
this couldnt be farther from the truth, the employer and employee has to jump through a lot of hoops over an extended period of time for it to happen. Which business in its right frame of mind would go through all those bureaucratic hoops to see positions filled a year from now when he needs staff now.

[DrCaleb]

PostFactum PostFactum:

Simple law break, why so much noise?

Because it's eroding society. People who want to work, like the ladies in the article, can't because they need to earn enough to make a living. The restaurant owner can use TFWs at lower pay instead.

And it's not just here, for example, a welding company let go a whole crew and replaced them with TFWs, and nothing was done. It's clearly against the law to lay Canadians off and replace them with out of country workers.

And the TFworkers are often treated very poorly on top of it.

[DrCaleb]

desertdude desertdude:

i.e all of them were fired which was according to her own words a 50/50 mix.

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Some of them were subsequently hired back, including two waitresses who are temporary foreign workers.

Some hired back out of which only two were Temp FW. So she is now bitter that why she wasn't the one who was hired back.

The law says you can't hire TFWs when there are Canadians who apply for the job and are qualified. The two ladies in the article should have been rehired, not the two TFWs.

[andyt]

the only temp worker serving staff we should be letting in are young people from countries with which we have a reciprocal agreement, like Australia. This is to allow them to have a working holiday for travel. Importing poor people just to undercut wages here should not be on.

[desertdude]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

desertdude desertdude:

i.e all of them were fired which was according to her own words a 50/50 mix.

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Some of them were subsequently hired back, including two waitresses who are temporary foreign workers.

Some hired back out of which only two were Temp FW. So she is now bitter that why she wasn't the one who was hired back.

The law says you can't hire TFWs when there are Canadians who apply for the job and are qualified. The two ladies in the article should have been rehired, not the two TFWs.

Yeah thats part of the labour approval process when you want to bring in people, might not apply in this situation since they were just being reinstated, not sure though.

[saturn_656]

One of the women had 28 years in. The other was a supervisor. I would guess that they were among the most highly paid of the staff. TFW's were probably cheaper.

Now that the story is out, I'm sure they'll be facing consequences.

[rickc]

andyt andyt:

Absolutely. You give make contribution to my party, I screw over Canadian workers for you. It's good to see this is getting more attention, I hope people keep the pressure on. There will probably be pushback that it's racist to deny visas to temp workers.

Wait a minute now, are you not the same Andyt that is schooling me about the supreme authority of big government over in the Nevada rancher thread? You have stated numerous times in that thread about how the government shuts down businesses all the time. Its perfectly within their scope of duties. We are just supposed to bend over and take it with a smile when our government it putting thousands of hard working people (people who have been working the same land for generations) out of work. If we second guess the government and their infinite wisdom, we are a bunch of hard right, radical, racist, domestic terrorists.

Yet here you are getting your knickers in a twist when your own federal government is stabbing your countrymen in the back, and selling them out. Now you want to sound the alarm, and circle the wagons when your countrymen are losing their jobs due to bullshit government policies. What happened to your respect for government authority?

[andyt]

Do you see me bringing a bunch of rednecks with guns to this? Not paying my taxes? This is how a civil society works - if enough people show their anger, the govt changes course. At least we hope. Your analogy fails, you just can't seem to understand legitimate and illegitimate means of influencing your govt. But then y'all are taught all problems can be solved with a gun, so it's to be expected.

And the govt should shut down this business, if it can't play by the rules. See, same answer works for both situations.

[Brenda]

TFW should be sent back home when their job stops existing. Which happened in this case.

Let me guess, they re-hired the people who were there for the shortest period of time? Or more, the ones who worked for minimum wage?

When No Frills took over the Extra Foods here, the workers who worked there for years, and made $20/hr, were offered half the amount of hours for half the pay by No Frills. Needless to say that none of the people who worked at Extra Foods, now work at No Frills...

[rickc]

andyt andyt:

Do you see me bringing a bunch of rednecks with guns to this? Not paying my taxes? This is how a civil society works - if enough people show their anger, the govt changes course. At least we hope. Your analogy fails, you just can't seem to understand legitimate and illegitimate means of influencing your govt. But then y'all are taught all problems can be solved with a gun, so it's to be expected.

And the govt should shut down this business, if it can't play by the rules. See, same answer works for both situations.

Oh so we are rednecks now are we? I bet you would not be so quick to insult some non white groups that you have some differences with. I never see you use a derogatory remark toward those people who are using the safe injection sites in your community. I never seen you insult anyone that was destroying property, trespassing, harassing people during the occupy movement. When I was a kid and my parents were working in those very same jobs mentioned in this thread( the jobs that you seem to care so much about), we were called white trash.

You are close to libeling Mr. Bundy. Do you have any proof that Mr. Bundy is not paying his taxes? Do you really think that the IRS would allow Mr, Bundy to not pay his taxes for 21 years? You lived and worked in the states. You know better. Hell the IRS got Al Capone. Al killed more men than smallpox. Mr. Bundy has killed no one. Do you really think that Clark county would allow Mr. Bundy to go 21 years without paying property taxes? They would have seized his property long ago. No one other than you and Sen. Reid is making that absurd accusation.

You want to talk about a civil society? Where was that civil society when your city lost the Stanley cup three years ago? I did not see any riots in Boston last year when they lost the Stanley cup to Chicago. In Nevada it is legal to carry a firearm. I posted several videos in the ranchers thread. I never seen anyone recklessly brandishing a firearms. No property was destroyed (except by the government), no one was injured (except for the BLM pride). I would put my "civil society" of hard working ranchers in Nevada up against your "civil society" of window smashing, property destroying, car burning , public defecating, Stanley cup losing, occupy crowd any day of the week. And twice on Sunday.

I am just messing with you andy. I am gong over the top to make a point here. It sucks when ones own government is helping to put their people out of work. On that, most of us would agree. I think it sucks, you think it sucks. I just wish you cared more about all those people who lost their jobs in Nevada due to a belligerent, non caring, government entity. I would not dream of telling someone in Canada who lost their job to a foreigner (due to some BS government program) to suck it up and deal.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

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You are close to libeling Mr. Bundy. Do you have any proof that Mr. Bundy is not paying his taxes? Do you really think that the IRS would allow Mr, Bundy to not pay his taxes for 21 years?

Ok I have a question about that. Has anybody said exactly what taxes he's not paying? If it's income tax than yeah, I can't see it either. But if it's property tax, does the IRS get involved with that? Sounds more like a local govt issue, maybe.
If it's the grazing fees he hasn't paid that everyone is calling "taxes", would that also be something the IRS would get involved in since it's apparently federal land?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

desertdude desertdude:

Yes I understand how people would love if Canadians filled Canadian jobs but I've been saying this and so does the article its not like you call up the Philippines and order some workers and in a few days they land at your doorstep its is a very complicated procedure and takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to get approval and have the worker actually land here.

And again a lot of people are making a lot of noise without actually addressing what the article mentions.

$1:

she and all the staff received letters from the three brothers who own the restaurant.

She says about half of the workers are Canadians. The other half are temporary foreign workers.

"Due to changes in operations we are currently discharging all of our staff," the letter says.

i.e all of them were fired which was according to her own words a 50/50 mix.

$1:

Some of them were subsequently hired back, including two waitresses who are temporary foreign workers.

Some hired back out of which only two were Temp FW. So she is now bitter that why she wasn't the one who was hired back.

I'm not saying this is right but a lot of it is over sensationalized and lot of people here make a lot of noise of losing dem jobs to those darn foreigns. Without actually having any clue to as how their own immigration system works. Alot think its just as easy as buying a ticket and just showing up in Canada and thats about it.
this couldnt be farther from the truth, the employer and employee has to jump through a lot of hoops over an extended period of time for it to happen. Which business in its right frame of mind would go through all those bureaucratic hoops to see positions filled a year from now when he needs staff now.

C'mon dude, for a friggin' waitressing job? The problem isn't a lack of numbers here, and this is something YOU don't understand about immigration to Canada.
Of the approximately 300,000 immigrants that arrive here, 85-90% settle in Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal, and their greater metro areas. Meanwhile, provinces like Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba have been screaming for workers for at least a decade now.
We SHOULD be allowed to make it conditional for new immigrants that if they want to come here, they have to settle in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta where the JOBS ARE! But of course we can't because it's some lame assed violation of human rights. But I say, if you're coming here to find a better life, then you goddam well better settle where the fucking jobs are

If we could do that, we wouldn't need to import TFWs for waitressing jobs for fuck sakes.

[desertdude]

See that's where you don't understand your own immigration system of which there are two types, federal and provincial. Federal is tougher while provincial has more laxed rules but comes with the condition you have to live and work in that province for at least a period of two years.

But these provincial plans are so poorly advertised and promoted hardly anyone has heard of them. If these provinces need worker they need to do a better job of advertising themselves. How many people living outside of Canada do you think have even heard of a province in Canada called Saskatchewan or Winnipeg ? Majority of the world thinks the capital of Canada is Toronto.

http://www.saskimmigrationcanada.ca/

[Brenda]

The funny thing is that the TFW-program is sort of made for low skilled work. NOC class C and D, which are non-skilled, non-management positions.

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

See that's where you don't understand your own immigration system of which there are two types, federal and provincial. Federal is tougher while provincial has more laxed rules but comes with the condition you have to live and work in that province for at least a period of two years.

But these provincial plans are so poorly advertised and promoted hardly anyone has heard of them. If these provinces need worker they need to do a better job of advertising themselves. How many people living outside of Canada do you think have even heard of a province in Canada called Saskatchewan or Winnipeg ? Majority of the world thinks the capital of Canada is Toronto.

http://www.saskimmigrationcanada.ca/

All our immigration is federal. Provinces are able to sponsor a specified number of immigrants for specific jobs - ie the immigrants have to already have jobs to come here. This is actually a good system, since it means immigrants don't come here expecting to be doctors and wind up driving cabs.

And as usual, you and many others mix up temp workers and immigrants. Temp workers are not immigrants, they are limited to how long they can stay in the country and can only stay as long as they hold the specific job they were brought here for. Their permit must be renewed every year. The only exception are nannies, who can come in as temp workers and after several years qualify for immigrant status.