[BRAH]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The second Ft. Hood shooting is relevant to things like gun rights. If the conversation goes there, that incident might be referenced.

This conversation involves how not being ready for Jihadis can enable an attack. Ignore them and they take advantage of the opportunities you allow them as Nisan and the Tsarnevs did.

Apparently New York are setting themselves up for another big boom soon.

Here's what us Canadians are ignoring now, and what we'll soon be dealing with.

When an attack happens these people who are hell bent having law enforcement and intelligence agencies hands tied are the first ones to blame them.

[Goober911]

BRAH BRAH:

Goober911 Goober911:

BRAH BRAH:

Yaay back to pre 9/11 when Police and Inettligence Agencies have their hands tied, what could possibly go wrong?

Perhaps it was working as well as the CIA- FBI was back then. Incompetence.

From the news link
Former Police Commissioner Ray Kelly had defended the surveillance tactics, saying officers observed legal guidelines while attempting to create an early warning system for terrorism. But in a deposition made public in 2012, an NYPD chief testified that the unit's work had never generated a lead or triggered a terrorism investigation in the previous six years.

There was a wall put in place by Jame Gorelick during the Clinton Administration which prevented agencies from connecting with each other that lead up to 9/11.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/15/20040415-094758-5267r/

If I recall correctly an FBI agent, female flagged at least one of the hijackers, sent it up the chain and it was ignored? Is that correct? Memory is old on my part
As to walls in place for agencies, they are quite porous. If information has to be passed, it is.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... new/could/

[martin14]

Goober911 Goober911:

As to walls in place for agencies, they are quite porous. If information has to be passed, it is.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... new/could/

Your own link just shows that to be not be true.

[desertdude]

To be perfectly honest I would have no problem with this, I know I haven't done anything wrong. Ofcourse as with the FBI they could have gotten bored and to keep their jobs starting making up shit, planting in informants and start fabricating terror plots, indoctrinating people and then arresting them for terrorist activities that they themselves made up. Entrapment anyone ? And I guess this was also the genuine fear for the organisations asking for it to be disbanded.

So I guess overall its a good thing it got dismantled but I do hope they don't stop watching the people that do need to be watched and not look for pies in the sky.

[Goober911]

Does anyone think the NYPD program was to large, overkill?

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

To be perfectly honest I would have no problem with this, I know I haven't done anything wrong. Ofcourse as with the FBI they could have gotten bored and to keep their jobs starting making up shit, planting in informants and start fabricating terror plots, indoctrinating people and then arresting them for terrorist activities that they themselves made up. Entrapment anyone ? And I guess this was also the genuine fear for the organisations asking for it to be disbanded.

So I guess overall its a good thing it got dismantled but I do hope they don't stop watching the people that do need to be watched and not look for pies in the sky.

Sure sure. YOu used your influence with that Obama bin Laden to have the program shut down during your weekly Muslim conspiracy meetings. The whole US govt is just riddled with jihadi symps, we all know that.

[commanderkai]

Raise your hand if you think this program was shut down without something else rather similar took its place?

[andyt]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Raise your hand if you think this program was shut down without something else rather similar took its place?

I can't find the raised hand smiley or I would. If they had put something else in place, they would have first notified Fiddle Dog for sure, and likely Martin and Brah et al as well. So we know that didn't happen.

[desertdude]

andyt andyt:

Sure sure. YOu used your influence with that Obama bin Laden to have the program shut down during your weekly Muslim conspiracy meetings. The whole US govt is just riddled with jihadi symps, we all know that.

Shhhhhhh....you're not suppose to talk about that in public. No more invites for you now!

[Freakinoldguy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Raise your hand if you think this program was shut down without something else rather similar took its place?

Yup and it's called Obama Care.

My guess is that it's all about the MONEY and if NYC can stick the feds with the bill for the surveillance program then all the better.

[Goober911]

martin14 martin14:

Goober911 Goober911:

As to walls in place for agencies, they are quite porous. If information has to be passed, it is.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... new/could/

Your own link just shows that to be not be true.

Right. All Govt officials follow the law ref sharing of intelligence - information- possible suspects.

[BartSimpson]

Goober911 Goober911:

Does anyone think the NYPD program was too large, overkill?

I think the NYPD program (along with several other programs the NYPD gets into) went far beyond the scope of what should be a municipal police department. When they're maintaining official stations in foreign countries and conducting investigations in other countries and other states then they're making themselves into a virtual city state.

Their operations no doubt infringed on the operations of proper Federal agencies and their operations have also trampled on the sovereignty of foreign countries and US states outside of New York.

They need to get back to patrolling the streets of New York City and stop trying to impose themselves on everyone else as if New York City was the most important place in the universe.

[Goober911]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Goober911 Goober911:

Does anyone think the NYPD program was too large, overkill?

I think the NYPD program (along with several other programs the NYPD gets into) went far beyond the scope of what should be a municipal police department. When they're maintaining official stations in foreign countries and conducting investigations in other countries and other states then they're making themselves into a virtual city state.

Agreed for the most part. Local Police, particularly in large cites such as NY bring a wealth of knowledge of facts on the ground, contacts, who is who and who is not.

$1:

Their operations no doubt infringed on the operations of proper Federal agencies and their operations have also trampled on the sovereignty of foreign countries and US states outside of New York.

True, far to many value much to highly the "Protect the turf mantra". Cooperation is critical.

$1:

They need to get back to patrolling the streets of New York City and stop trying to impose themselves on everyone else as if New York City was the most important place in the universe.

I disagree. They as I mentioned above have the contacts, and knowledge of the ground.