[Brenda]

What does her occupation have to do with anything??
Oh wait, prostitutes are BAAAAAAAD PEOPLE!! ALL of them!!

[andyt]

stratos stratos:

" Three months before Jennifer Bird knifed chef Simon Hubbard to death, a judge offered her a choice.

Get off the drugs and alcohol, or end up being warehoused in jail.

But like she had been doing since her early teens, she chose the booze and cocaine."

"Her past wasn’t an excuse, Parfett said.

Bird was an intelligent young woman capable of making changes to her life when given the opportunity, the judge said.

Instead, she squandered them by returning to a familiar pattern of substance abuse that frequently ended in violence and harm.

“This was her choice, and it was a bad one,” Parfett said."

From the points above found in the article it seems she had chances to change her life style of drinking and drugs but chose not to.

So first you allow them to get fucked up as kids, then say she's making bad choices as a adult? No duh she is. Invest the money when she's a kid and you won't have to pay it to warehouse her when she's an adult.

[stratos]

Brenda Brenda:

What does her occupation have to do with anything??
Oh wait, prostitutes are BAAAAAAAD PEOPLE!! ALL of them!!

Agreed I could have cared less if she was a prostitute or a school teacher or even a CEO of some major company. It's the crime she committed that I find appalling.

[stratos]

$1:

So first you allow them to get fucked up as kids, then say she's making bad choices as a adult? No duh she is. Invest the money when she's a kid and you won't have to pay it to warehouse her when she's an adult.

Well andyt welcome to adult hood where you are responsible for your own actions. Where in this case the woman was given chances to get her life strait and refused to do so. Yes she had a messed up childhood but that does not excuse her for the actions she has committed as an adult.

[andyt]

stratos stratos:

$1:

So first you allow them to get fucked up as kids, then say she's making bad choices as a adult? No duh she is. Invest the money when she's a kid and you won't have to pay it to warehouse her when she's an adult.

Well andyt welcome to adult hood where you are responsible for your own actions. Where in this case the woman was given chances to get her life strait and refused to do so. Yes she had a messed up childhood but that does not excuse her for the actions she has committed as an adult.

Can you quote me where I said it did? Or where I said the sentence was too harsh? What I pointed out was that if the money it now costs to warehouse her had been spent on her when she was young, in fact a lot less money, there's a good chance she wouldn't be rotting in jail and victim would still be alive.

You guys are funny the way you argue against the phantasms in your heads instead of what he person you're arguing with is actually saying. Sad and demented, but funny.

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

Can you quote me where I said it did? Or where I said the sentence was too harsh? What I pointed out was that if the money it now costs to warehouse her had been spent on her when she was young, in fact a lot less money, there's a good chance she wouldn't be rotting in jail and victim would still be alive.

So what programs were NOT available to her when she was a youth?

[stratos]

$1:

Can you quote me where I said it did?

$1:

So doing something long before she ever stabbed anybody no point to that?

Something was done and she refused to accept the offer of help in getting her life turned around.

[andyt]

What was done? Letting her off easy in court isn't help. It just set her off for this.

[andyt]

Regina Regina:

andyt andyt:

Can you quote me where I said it did? Or where I said the sentence was too harsh? What I pointed out was that if the money it now costs to warehouse her had been spent on her when she was young, in fact a lot less money, there's a good chance she wouldn't be rotting in jail and victim would still be alive.

So what programs were NOT available to her when she was a youth?

What programs were given to this family? Do you have information on that? Please share. I know about the programs that are given to families such as this, if they were. They're short term and totally ineffective. Foster care is underfunded which attracts a lot of poor caregivers. Those caregivers are nowhere near supervised enough, so kids in care often get revictimized, sometimes worse than what they got at home. Social workers are way overworked, and many of them are not even qualified as social workers. It's all about spending as little as possible and still be able to claim the govt is doing something. So they save a little now and spend a lot more on the people coming out of that system down the road.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

You guys are funny the way you argue against the phantasms in your heads instead of what he person you're arguing with is actually saying. Sad and demented, but funny.

I'll remember this one the next time you toss your uninformed two cents in when someone has a conversation about employees versus contractors and you decide to insert your personal ideological snark & gripe instead of bothering to listen to what the other person was saying. Knock yourself silly, two-face.

[stratos]

andyt andyt:

What was done? Letting her off easy in court isn't help. It just set her off for this.

So now you are for harsh first term sentencing? Not giving a person a chance to change their life around?

[stratos]

$1:

What programs were given to this family? Do you have information on that? Please share

Every single one available in your country for such circumstances. They are offered to one and all but not forced on people.

[stratos]

Thanos Thanos:

andyt andyt:

You guys are funny the way you argue against the phantasms in your heads instead of what he person you're arguing with is actually saying. Sad and demented, but funny.

I'll remember this one the next time you toss your uninformed two cents in when someone has a conversation about employees versus contractors and you decide to insert your personal ideological snark & gripe instead of bothering to listen to what the other person was saying. Knock yourself silly, two-face.

I think this calls for an .... OH SNAP!

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

What programs were given to this family? Do you have information on that? Please share. I know about the programs that are given to families such as this, if they were. They're short term and totally ineffective. Foster care is underfunded which attracts a lot of poor caregivers. Those caregivers are nowhere near supervised enough, so kids in care often get revictimized, sometimes worse than what they got at home. Social workers are way overworked, and many of them are not even qualified as social workers. It's all about spending as little as possible and still be able to claim the govt is doing something. So they save a little now and spend a lot more on the people coming out of that system down the road.

In other words...........you have no fucking clue.

[andyt]

Thanos Thanos:

andyt andyt:

You guys are funny the way you argue against the phantasms in your heads instead of what he person you're arguing with is actually saying. Sad and demented, but funny.

I'll remember this one the next time you toss your uninformed two cents in when someone has a conversation about employees versus contractors and you decide to insert your personal ideological snark & gripe instead of bothering to listen to what the other person was saying. Knock yourself silly, two-face.

You want to bring it to this topic, OK. Explain how both employer and contractor can save money. The only way is the govt loses tax revenue and the contractor doesn't get benefits. Benefits are counted as pay in negotiations - they're a benefit, people want them. So the contractor lose out - and good luck trying to get those same benefits as a single individual - cost you a fortune. Benefit costs are calculated on the number of people enrolled in the program because it spreads the risk.

So what were you saying?