[martin14]

Brenda Brenda:

you can take it and bury it. First trimester miscarriages (which are most...) usually do not get buried.

Wouldn't it be nice if these people were given a choice ?

$1:

Would you like to bury your appendix too, when taken out or do you not have an issue heating the hospital with that?

Actually, this I wouldn't care about.

I am actually pro-choice, but I would like to think aborted fetuses still get
a microspec of respect.

[stratos]

Brenda Brenda:

Filters...
The waste plant where I used to live didn't smell at all. The only thing coming out of incinerators is water vapour. It is a very clean way of waste disposal.

Okay that makes sense thanks.

I know this is bad but as I read the story and the thread I kept thinking about the Nazi ovens. Just wondering if anyone else did/does also or am I the only one with the F'ed up brain to do so.

[Brenda]

martin14 martin14:

Brenda Brenda:

you can take it and bury it. First trimester miscarriages (which are most...) usually do not get buried.

Wouldn't it be nice if these people were given a choice ?

I don't think there is any...
There is also no insurance company that covers funerals like that. They do for still borns after viability, which is 25 weeks, for as far as I know.

$1:

$1:

Would you like to bury your appendix too, when taken out or do you not have an issue heating the hospital with that?

Actually, this I wouldn't care about.

I am actually pro-choice, but I would like to think aborted fetuses still get
a microspec of respect.

Why wouldn't you care about your appendix? That has been inside of you longer than your 7 week old thingy of cells...

It would be weird if I would have to take my 7 week old miscarriage out of the toilet and take it to a funeral home... I didn't even know I was pregnant until then...

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

I did read the article. As I say, it seems hypocritical to me to go in and ask that your foetus be killed, but then want it treated with respect afterward.

We must have read different articles. I didn't get the impression it was the mothers of aborted babies creating the controversy.

It looked more to me like a television channel was planning to show a documentary so there was this...

$1:

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’

Then there was this...

$1:

A total of one in seven pregnancies ends in a miscarriage, while NHS figures show there are around 4,000 stillbirths each year in the UK, or 11 each day

It wasn't just a possible concern to mothers of aborted babies.

[Regina]

I can see this going in the direction of: When is tissue considered a fetus? The article is also calling them babies, so at which point is it a baby as well. I would also think it would be a poor fuel choice to create energy and would in fact need as much energy to burn it than it could generate.
I suppose direction from the family may be the way to go, but if it is disposed with other medical waste it will not differ in the end result. It's either that or the family needs to take financial responsibility for it. What would be totally disgusting would be the families who want the remains as is.........and there are plenty of nutty people and possibilities then.

[Yogi]

I should have stated my personal opinion as well in my first post. In agreement with Martin, I feel that 'human remains' should be treated with the utmost respect. In this case tho I find myself thinking like Brenda & Regina "At what point are the remains to be considered 'human'?

[Regina]

The programme, which will air tonight, found that parents who lose children in early pregnancy were often treated without compassion and were not consulted about what they wanted to happen to the remains.
I find the wording of that statement leaning towards sensationalizing, but there is absolutely no excuse for a lack of compassion dignity when that happens. Most times that happens in the emergency department which faster paced and multiple staff looking after someone. At certain stages, the mother/father should be given the options available to them. And if someone thinks they would get ashes to sprinkle around of keep in a jar from a fetus in the first couple of trimesters, they would be mistaken.

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

It was cremated, same as many other dead bodies. Guess the hospital should have offered to let the woman keep the ashes afterward.

You really need to read the article before posting.

The hospitals didn't do any consultation about afterwards, probably because most normal people would be sickened by this. I guess it's too difficult to show the
tiniest bit of respect.

And old people who die get cremated individually. At least I hope they do, not thrown together with a couple of other people, and some dirty bandages.

Big fucking deal.

Really, most normal people would be sickened by this after giving the initial aobortion a by?

Give your head a shake, son.

[Gunnair]

Yogi Yogi:

I should have stated my personal opinion as well in my first post. In agreement with Martin, I feel that 'human remains' should be treated with the utmost respect. In this case tho I find myself thinking like Brenda & Regina "At what point are the remains to be considered 'human'?

Probably not when the mother walked in and said, "remove it please."

Doubt we're burying removed limbs and other bodily material. Why would we lose our mind about a piece of material that is considered the same thing?

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

Brenda Brenda:

you can take it and bury it. First trimester miscarriages (which are most...) usually do not get buried.

Wouldn't it be nice if these people were given a choice ?

$1:

Would you like to bury your appendix too, when taken out or do you not have an issue heating the hospital with that?

Actually, this I wouldn't care about.

I am actually pro-choice, but I would like to think aborted fetuses still get
a microspec of respect.

You don't sound pro choice at all if your indignant-o-meter red lines at the thought that one of those aborted fetuses you support the mother having poked out of her is being used as a a fuel for building heat.

[Regina]

Ipswich Hospital Trust said it was concerned to discover that foetal remains from another hospital had been incinerated on its site.

A spokeswoman said: “The Ipswich Hospital NHS Trust does not incinerate foetal remains.”


So what does it do with them? Put them in a jar and send them home with the other belongings?
Sounds like there may be a uniform national policy coming.

[sandorski]

Kinda sounds like someone just coming up with a controversy. However, if people were promised one thing and quite another thing is carried out it's best to correct the situation.

That said, using waste heat from cremation or other sources to make Energy seems a no-brainer to me.

[martin14]

Regina Regina:

Ipswich Hospital Trust said it was concerned to discover that foetal remains from another hospital had been incinerated on its site.

A spokeswoman said: “The Ipswich Hospital NHS Trust does not incinerate foetal remains.”


So what does it do with them? Put them in a jar and send them home with the other belongings?
Sounds like there may be a uniform national policy coming.

That's probably the difference between a separate cremation and going for those BTUs.

( Baby Thermal Units )


Anyway, it'll be on here... http://www.tvguide.co.uk/filmon/default.asp?c=2

[Public_Domain]

[Regina]

martin14 martin14:

Regina Regina:

Ipswich Hospital Trust said it was concerned to discover that foetal remains from another hospital had been incinerated on its site.

A spokeswoman said: “The Ipswich Hospital NHS Trust does not incinerate foetal remains.”


So what does it do with them? Put them in a jar and send them home with the other belongings?
Sounds like there may be a uniform national policy coming.

That's probably the difference between a separate cremation and going for those BTUs.

( Baby Thermal Units )


Anyway, it'll be on here... http://www.tvguide.co.uk/filmon/default.asp?c=2

BTU Didn't see that coming.
The reality is that there would be no heat generated by that amount of tissue and in fact would take more energy to burn it than it could provide. Also probably no ashes to speak of either so it not like they'll get a thimble to take home. Hospitals are not going to build baby crematorium so it then goes on to the existing services along with their normal fee.