[RoyalHighlander]

He was one of the last of the originals... was there when it all started, and yes as one poster said Netenyau is a Meyer lansky ..being investigated for bribery etc.. living a high life while others are asked to cut back...

[BRAH]

The comments on social media regarding the death of Ariel Sharon are disgusting.

[saturn_656]

BRAH BRAH:

The comments on social media regarding the death of Ariel Sharon are disgusting.

Did you expect anything different? I don't even bother to read them, I already know what is there.

[ShepherdsDog]

Proglodytes who can only regurgitate what they were indoctrinated with, rather than verifiable information. The Party or Great Leader says it`s true, and who am I to question?........... followed by a blink, a twitch and a blank stare

[commanderkai]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Proglodytes who can only regurgitate what they were indoctrinated with, rather than verifiable information. The Party or Great Leader says it`s true, and who am I to question?........... followed by a blink, a twitch and a blank stare

I thought it was followed by foaming at the mouth and brain damage.

[ShepherdsDog]

No....that occurs when you ask the indoctrinated(hard left and right both) to explain their views in their own words, rather than a mere regurgitation of the Elected`s sacred writ

[Public_Domain]

[JBG]

Thanos Thanos:

For his hardcase reputation he would have been a far better leader for Israel the last few years than Netanyahu has been. Sharon kicked those goddamn settlers out of Gaza and probably would have done the same in the West Bank too. At a minimum he certainly wouldn't have gone on a building spree in areas where the Palestinians have lived for centuries. As much as they hated him Sharon would have been much better for the Muslims to deal with than the cretins who followed him have been. Damndest worst luck possible when that stroke felled him.

I am getting tired of the singling out of Israel for misstreatment of "indigenous" people. People have moved around throughout history and supplanted less competent people on lands.

Why is it that suddenly Israel is wrong for doing what have been done for centuries? Canada with the FN, U.S. with Native Americans, Vikings with native Anglo-Saxons and others in Northern Europe?

[andyt]

JBG JBG:

I am getting tired of the singling out of Israel for misstreatment of "indigenous" people. People have moved around throughout history and supplanted less competent people on lands.

Why is it that suddenly Israel is wrong for doing what have been done for centuries? Canada with the FN, U.S. with Native Americans, Vikings with native Anglo-Saxons and others in Northern Europe?

Times change. But, if it's not wrong, as you say, is it wrong for the people being displaced to fight back as hard as they can? Ie you never complain about Palestinian attacks, or attacks by other Muslim nations for that matter, right? I mean if it turns out that these nations are "more competent" to use your words, just by sheer numbers and bloodyminded religious fervor, then you'll just shrug your shoulders about that outcome. Ie if they do manage to push Israel into the sea, then the more competent people won, right?

Or, people could just use their heads and have each side get half a loaf. But with attitudes on both sides, such as yours, that seem unlikely.

[JBG]

The only difference is that the FN's and Native Americans (I left out Australian Aboriginals) were not fighting with U.N. aid, paid largely by the U.S. taxpayer.

[desertdude]

JBG JBG:

I am getting tired of the singling out of Israel for misstreatment of "indigenous" people.

Yeah must be get really tiring all 125 posts of yours, last one being almost a year back

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Oh and btw, great strawman. Oh look they were much more eviler so this pales in comparison so its all good.

Looking forward to more cut and pastes from some online drivel mongering site next year from you. See ya.

[andyt]

JBG JBG:

The only difference is that the FN's and Native Americans (I left out Australian Aboriginals) were not fighting with U.N. aid, paid largely by the U.S. taxpayer.

Exactly how much aid is the US taxpayer giving to Israel?

I thought it was winner take all, not worrying about rules? You introduce rules, Israel's position starts to look mighty shaky.

[saturn_656]

One of the smartest things the British ever did was to walk away from that clusterfuck in '48. If the Arabs weren't revolting against the Brits the Jews were bombing and kidnapping them, when they weren't too busy going at each other of course.

I don't know much about how things were in the Ottoman era, but I doubt the ability of the region to properly run itself.

[Thanos]

I imagine that the Turks were like the Romans and managed to pacify the area (for the most part) through sheer brutality. That, and also that the Jews were a tiny minority during the Ottoman period and didn't have the numbers to cause any problems. And the local Arabs probably wouldn't be as aggrieved at being under the thumb of a fellow Muslim overseer as much as they would be a Christian or Jewish one.

My ideas on the whole silly dispute and the participants have been changing somewhat. I still believe that the Israelis have the right to defend themselves. Despite too much propaganda lately to the contrary, the Muslims in the area are not at all innocent of anything. My concern now is why exactly should the entire world be held hostage to this small region's political troubles, and by no means (after the Iraq debacle especially) should the United States be attacking Iran on the behalf of Binyamin Netanyahu. There is no more "tiny, helpless Israel" anymore. They're one of the pre-eminent military powers on the planet now and if Likud wants a goddamn war with Iran then go fight the fucking thing themselves. Don't tell the kids in the US military that it's their obligation to do it for Israel, because it morally, ethically, and legally isn't.

Reading up on the Samson Scenario pissed me off too. If this is an actual policy on the part of the Israeli government, to randomly shoot off nuclear weapons around the Mediterranean if a Muslim attack finally overwhelms them, then the Israelis are no more the friends of the West that we assume them to be than the Muslims are. Once again, where exactly is our moral obligation to defend those who would think up that attacking everyone within range of their weaponry as their last act of malice?

Once again, why are all our fates tied to one putrid region of the world? The politics there are disgusting and anyone who says we should do it because of some insane Biblical obligation should have their fucking face slapped.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Reading up on the Samson Scenario pissed me off too. If this is an actual policy on the part of the Israeli government, to randomly shoot off nuclear weapons around the Mediterranean if a Muslim attack finally overwhelms them, then the Israelis are no more the friends of the West

How is this any different than the American and Soviet policy of MAD??