[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gettysburg is sacred ground to us.

Which is kind of difficult to believe considering how many of your fellow citizens at any given time are actively trying to undo the main end result of the Civil War, i.e. the states cannot do whatever they want whenever they want in defiance of the federal system.

Maybe the next time I'm in Canada I should go piss on the Cenotaph to make you appreciate how I feel at this moment.

Lots of those graves ... and unburied bones at Gettysburg were Canadians.
It is thought that roughly 40,000 Canadians fought in the US Civil War ... on both sides but mostly for the Union. Some did it for ideological reasons such as the fight against slavery. Some were simply shanghaied by U.S. Army recruiters in border saloons. Others did it for adventure.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/boo ... e12559597/

It is not known just how many Canadians fought with U.S. forces in Vietnam (The US Military didn't record that part of the recruit's background) estimates ranging from 5,000 to 20,000 is one that I've seen often.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985 ... m-veterans

I personally know one and when I was posting the above link, I discovered that I actually know of a second one. They signed up for pretty much the same reasons as during the Civil War although I THINK that the U.S. Army recruiters in Plattsburg had stopped whacking drunken Canadians over the heads with black-jacks by then.

[DanSC]

The Confederacy wasn't a movement to amend the Constitution; it was an independence movement to form a new nation. However, unlike the USA's grievance of rule without representation, the Confederacy seceded and started a war because their representation couldn't legislate over the northern majority.

[N_Fiddledog]

I think before we go blindly believing everything the prog-bots at CNN say, and erecting an alter of truth to Piers Morgan, we need to double-check to see if they aren't leaving something out in that post above.

We on the right like our facts. We differ from the left in that we prefer they be correct, and we get all of them.

So CNN mentions the Library of Congress. Let's see what they forgot to tell you concerning the Nicolay draft of the Gettysburg address.

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The first page is on White House (then Executive Mansion) stationery, lending strong support to the theory that it was drafted in Washington, D.C. But the second page is on what has been loosely described as foolscap, suggesting that Lincoln was not fully satisfied with the final paragraph of the Address and rewrote that passage in Gettysburg, on November 19, while staying at the home of Judge David Wills.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/gettysburg- ... bj-nicolay

It was a first draft, as was the other one CNN mentioned. The final version as seen on the Lincoln Memorial says "Under God".

As far as what Jay Carney says, he's been caught lying so many times you'd have to be beyond brainwashed to even believe Jay is his real name.

[DanSC]

But Piers Morgan knows everything; the only person or group with more access to our phones is the NSA.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

No, you guys on the far right can keep distorting and pissing all over your own country's history to your heart's content. Leave Canada out of this.

Forgive me here, but now you're being a typical passive aggressive Canadian. You get in my face and shit all over the memory of Gettysburg and then you think you can just pull back and say, "Leave Canada out of this"?

Sorry, chum, but you dragged Canada into this when you put a Canadian flag on your profile and then mocked one of the most sacred places in American history.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

It is not known just how many Canadians fought with U.S. forces in Vietnam

As I recall, another Canadian once posted on this site that Canadian Army medical doctors had deployed to Vietnam to gain experience in combat medicine and trauma care. There was more to the post but this is what I can say that I recall with any certain accuracy.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As far as what Jay Carney says, he's been caught lying so many times you'd have to be beyond brainwashed to even believe Jay is his real name.

On that topic the following was sent to me in email today:

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

No, you guys on the far right can keep distorting and pissing all over your own country's history to your heart's content. Leave Canada out of this.

Forgive me here, but now you're being a typical passive aggressive Canadian. You get in my face and shit all over the memory of Gettysburg and then you think you can just pull back and say, "Leave Canada out of this"?

Sorry, chum, but you dragged Canada into this when you put a Canadian flag on your profile and then mocked one of the most sacred places in American history.

No, you took all the sanctity and righteousness out of your own argument when you turned the commemoration of Gettysburg into another one of your tedious, disrespectful, and hate-filled attacks against your own President. The only difference is that by not showing up, President Obama gave you more vigour to your anger, whereas if he had shown up your emotional display would have been downgraded to a mere spiteful "what's HE doing here?". It's the same bloody thing over and over and over again. All politics, all ideology, all partisanship, all us-vs-them, all the goddamn time. Everything is, no, HAS to be, turned into another attack on the enemy. Non-stop. Constant. Relentless. Not one moment will NOT be turned into part of your Forever War.

Want to respect President Lincoln, in a genuinely meaningful way? Then learn what he meant by "the better angels of our nature". And then try to live by it.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

t's the same bloody thing over and over and over again. All politics, all ideology, all partisanship, all us-vs-them, all the goddamn time. Everything is, no, HAS to be, turned into another attack on the enemy. Non-stop. Constant. Relentless. Not one moment will NOT be turned into part of your Forever War.

Well you certainly practise what you preach.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

All politics, all ideology, all partisanship, all us-vs-them, all the goddamn time. Everything is, no, HAS to be, turned into another attack on the enemy. Non-stop. Constant. Relentless. Not one moment will NOT be turned into part of your Forever War.

You're projecting your hatreds onto me. I'm no big fan of Obama and the liberals but my dislikes and even loathings of these people pales in comparison to how you behave with regards to Sarah Palin, so-called 'Tea-Birchers', Bush, and etc.

I personally expect a President to be at the 150th memorial of the Battle of Gettysburg. What disappoints me with this turd is that his selection of a version of the Gettysburg Address that was not delivered at Gettysburg conforms to his antipathy to Christianity and to US history in general.

I'd write a list of the things he's done that will now have yet one more entry but that's pointless with you because you'd just ignore it anyway.

[2Cdo]

Well we know in Thanos world Saint Barrack and the Democrats are faultless.

[Thanos]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

t's the same bloody thing over and over and over again. All politics, all ideology, all partisanship, all us-vs-them, all the goddamn time. Everything is, no, HAS to be, turned into another attack on the enemy. Non-stop. Constant. Relentless. Not one moment will NOT be turned into part of your Forever War.

Well you certainly practise what you preach.

That's rich coming from you. Like anyone should take anything seriously from a guy who thinks we should still be at war with Japan because they never issued an appropriately-grovelling apology to us. No, killing ten million of them and blasting them with nuclear fire and then having them become a staunch ally and friend over the last sixty years isn't good enough, gosh darnit, because they never said they were sorry.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

All politics, all ideology, all partisanship, all us-vs-them, all the goddamn time. Everything is, no, HAS to be, turned into another attack on the enemy. Non-stop. Constant. Relentless. Not one moment will NOT be turned into part of your Forever War.

You're projecting your hatreds onto me. I'm no big fan of Obama and the liberals but my dislikes and even loathings of these people pales in comparison to how you behave with regards to Sarah Palin, so-called 'Tea-Birchers', Bush, and etc.

True. I have a lot of passion in regards to the monsters and fanatics that IMO have distorted and betrayed what I always believed was respectable conservatism. I would have gladly voted for Reagan, HW Bush, Bob Dole, and even GW Bush (at least the first time anyway, and also because I believe that Al Gore is one of the worst stool-samples of all time) just because of the decent way they behaved. I'd never do the same for the rabid frothing-at-the-mouth fanatical slime that have succeeded them. I have nothing in common with these kinds of people and I therefore want nothing to do with them.

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I personally expect a President to be at the 150th memorial of the Battle of Gettysburg. What disappoints me with this turd is that his selection of a version of the Gettysburg Address that was not delivered at Gettysburg conforms to his antipathy to Christianity and to US history in general.

Re-read the CNN post. President Obama read the version the Address that Ken Burns asked him to. He didn't choose it himself. You're attacking him for an attack on Christianity that he didn't even make because he was participating in a voice role for a documentary being created by one of America's all-time great and pre-eminent historians

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I'd write a list of the things he's done that will now have yet one more entry but that's pointless with you because you'd just ignore it anyway.

Once again, no offense to you personally, but for the past five years YOUR side has been attacking President Obama with the most disgusting lies and falsehoods I've ever seen used in politics in my entire life. At this stage, with the reflexive use of hate-sites like Breitbart, Drudge, Townhall, WorldNutDaily, and The Blaze that you guys find your "sources" from, I have absolutely no reason not to believe that this particularly disgusting little episode with President Obama isn't just another lie or, at best, another molehill made into a mountain. Understand this, once and for all, the indecent and scurrilous and repugnant behaviour YOUR side invariably engages in gives me no reason to believe that any of you are telling any sort of logical or reasonable truth about President Obama or about any of the work he's been trying to do. You guys shit the bed too many times on your own watch and you still haven't gotten any of the stink off of you.

Your side tried to cripple the entire US government just to "get" President Obama. Why in the world should any reasonable or respectful person trust any of you on anything at all?

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Why in the world should any reasonable or respectful person trust any of you on anything at all?

Sarah Palin pronounced on Death Panels and you mocked her. Turns out she was right.

Any number of people said that Obamacare was doomed to failure. You mocked them. Turns out they were right and now a growing number of Democrats want the law repealed.

Last year I called bullsh*t on the unemployment numbers going into the fall election and I recall you exploded in your typical way denouncing my assessment as hating on your boy. Turns out I was right.

I've warned against an overbearing and too powerful US government and you've mocked me on numerous occasions and now you get to find out that the NSA spies on you constantly and it looks like they've been spying on your government, too. Seems I was right about that, too.

So I'm curious, since you think you can't trust anything from my side then what has your side told you that you've been able to trust?

Hmmm?

Edit: Care to weigh in on this thread...

current-events-f59/woman-hailed-by-president-as-obamacare-success-story-now-can-t106850.html

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Why in the world should any reasonable or respectful person trust any of you on anything at all?

Sarah Palin pronounced on Death Panels and you mocked her. Turns out she was right.

She's a disgusting lying moronic twat and always will be. How about the existential "death panels" the free market insurance companies operate when they arbitrarily decide to cut off someone's policy in the middle of a major illness or injury? Or when they refuse to cover pre-existing conditions without tripling or quadrupling rates that an already-sick person could never come close to being able to cover? Or when hundreds, or even thousands, of employers have to drop plans for their employees because the costs have gone up so much they could not longer afford to match the employer contribution? Do those count as "death panels", or was Palin's ham-fisted attempt to invoke a farcical Soylent Green-scenario into the issue to fire up the rubes the only legitimate application of the term? She is, always has been and always will be, a completely disgusting and rotten person

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Any number of people said that Obamacare was doomed to failure. You mocked them. Turns out they were right and now a growing number of Democrats want the law repealed.

Yes, because some website problems (a lot of which are coming from being flooded by false applications in an attempt to sabotage the site) on the roll-out of a major new initiative are the equivalent of Pearl Harbour or Sept 11. This is how dumb everything has gotten when shills and hacks that claim things like this are allowed to dominate the discussion.

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Last year I called bullsh*t on the unemployment numbers going into the fall election and I recall you exploded in your typical way denouncing my assessment as hating on your boy. Turns out I was right.

Don't remember that particular one. All I can recall is saying a few times that the employment numbers are worse by about a million or so because of all the state, local, and federal government workers that got terminated in the blessed name of austerity. Which to me was just more proof that austerity is practically a crime because in all instances in which it's used it makes everything that much more worse than it needs to be.

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I've warned against an overbearing and too powerful US government and you've mocked me on numerous occasions and now you get to find out that the NSA spies on you constantly and it looks like they've been spying on your government, too. Seems I was right about that, too.

I tried to point out that the metadata collection was perfectly legal and that there were practically no legitimate examples of it being abused. I also pointed out multiple times that anyone interested in seeing Glenn Greenwald's and edward Snowden's disgusting lies about the NSA torn apart then they should visit Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs. The reality of the issue is that this whole thing was merely another frenzy cooked up by clowns like Greenwald and and out-of-control media looking for some "gotcha!" moments (as usual). The governments, like Germany for example, that were allegedly so offended by American spying have also been quite willing to share all their own collected information with the US over the last decade. The only one I've heard that's been honest about the whole thing was the one French guy who said that they were more offended that the US has better equipment and data-gathering techniques than France does than they were by the spying itself. And only a child believes that any of this is new, or that it only came into existence under President Obama. As a patriot, shouldn't you have been opposing this as vigourously when it was brought to the fore, along with the founding of the Department of Homeland Security, under President George W. Bush? Where was any of the opposition then? Or was the comical and forced naivety of the moment so great that too many thought that spying would only happen overseas?

BTW, I'm correct about Edward Snowden, and also probably about Julian Assange and the rest of the Wikileaks assholes too, being a Russian FSB agent. I was proven correct about Rob Ford when I posted the original Gawker article and was attacked for it. In time I'm confident that I'll be proven right about Snowden and Assange and the rest of these traitors. All their actions indicate their participation in a deep and long-going Russian intelligence operation. Russia's been running rings around every other country on the planet when it comes to spying and sabotage for the last hundred and fifty years, and there's no reason at all not to believe that they're still doing it today

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So I'm curious, since you think you can't trust anything from my side then what has your side told you that you've been able to trust?

Hmmm?

I'm not a leader. I'm just some anonymous guy on teh intarwebz looking for communication. Trust me? Don't trust me? Your choice means nothing to me. I could care less about who believes what about the things I believe or say. I'm not some evangelical hack demanding that others follow me or die. Unlike the guys you follow on YOUR side, I don't couch my words in the threat of cosmic destruction, that if the "enemy" gets their way then WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! or "*sob*sob* I want my country back *sob*. 99% of the time I'm still just a big stupid kid. Compared to some of you others though, when the deliberately-stoked fervour and well-placed hatred gets your blood to start boiling, I feel like I'm the only goddamn adult in the room.