[DrCaleb]

DanSC DanSC:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Such things, 100 years later, really are minor.

Says the guy who hasn't lived through it.

I'm Canadian, not South African. We don't treat people like that.

[bootlegga]

Money and religion simply don't mix. It was a big factor in turning me off organized religion.

[DanSC]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

DanSC DanSC:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Such things, 100 years later, really are minor.

Says the guy who hasn't lived through it.

I'm Canadian, not South African. We don't treat people like that.

Ha, that's rich. We North Americans had apartheid against the native population for centuries. In some ways we still do.

[bootlegga]

DanSC DanSC:

I wouldn't put too much weight in the worlds of one of the greatest champions of South African apartheid.

I doubt he rates anywhere near the top of the "apartheid supporters list" - I'd argue a couple million white South Africans as well as millions of skinheads worldwide were far greater supporters of it than he was.

He was simply a product of his time and selectively quoting someone from the past by today's standards is ludicrous.

For the record, if you're going to talk about a handful of quotes from Gandhi and then decide that those few quotes make up his entire character, than I'd bet almost everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) born before 1940 or thereabouts are probably deserving of your scorn as well. Just saying...

[DrCaleb]

DanSC DanSC:

Ha, that's rich. We North Americans had apartheid against the native population for centuries. In some ways we still do.

You may have. Speak for yourself. I have never treated Natives like South Africans treated Blacks. Nor has anyone I know.

[Benn]

Unsound Unsound:

From the article, it seems that it has more to with tribalism than religion specifically. Religious people in a university setting don't feel as connected to their secular peers and therefore are more willing to act out. I wonder if other marginalized groups would show the same results?

That said, I've known a few waitresses who said that the larger the cross someone's wearing, or the louder they are with the "god bless yous", the smaller the tip. And contractors I know have said that the religious types are more likely to try screwing them on the bill.

I'm not arguing it might be true. I may have even seen it but find it sad as our family is pretty religious and I tip or am honest the same no matter religion or creed. I find it appalling other Christians don't. Who cares if the person you are paying is not Christian or whatever. If you don't tip or treat that person fairly then you are missing the point of your own religion and are a disgrace.

I'm not saying Im perfect, certainly I'm flawed but I'd much rather be known for having a potty mouth as a Christian than being a dishonest thief, and if you are given to much change by the girl at Timmies and know it but don't let her know then that is just what you are IMO.

I sure hope this study is flawed otherwise it is really depressing.

[fifeboy]

Benn Benn:

Unsound Unsound:

From the article, it seems that it has more to with tribalism than religion specifically. Religious people in a university setting don't feel as connected to their secular peers and therefore are more willing to act out. I wonder if other marginalized groups would show the same results?

That said, I've known a few waitresses who said that the larger the cross someone's wearing, or the louder they are with the "god bless yous", the smaller the tip. And contractors I know have said that the religious types are more likely to try screwing them on the bill.

I'm not arguing it might be true. I may have even seen it but find it sad as our family is pretty religious and I tip or am honest the same no matter religion or creed. I find it appalling other Christians don't. Who cares if the person you are paying is not Christian or whatever. If you don't tip or treat that person fairly then you are missing the point of your own religion and are a disgrace.

I'm not saying Im perfect, certainly I'm flawed but I'd much rather be known for having a potty mouth as a Christian than being a dishonest thief, and if you are given to much change by the girl at Timmies and know it but don't let her know then that is just what you are IMO.

I sure hope this study is flawed otherwise it is really depressing.

Thank you

[Thanos]

DanSC DanSC:

A quote by a champion of apartheid isn't going to make me like him anymore.

For some reason I keep getting in trouble around here for believing that the behaviour of the messenger is as important as the message itself. It's why I generally and reflexively disregard anything that comes from people as diverse as David Suzuki, Newt Gingrich, or the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. That ten pounds of bullshit stuffed into a five pound bag is actually an important factor in my view in the great meta-conversation that unfolds every day.

[Thanos]

Apartheid had it's good points. At least it maintained order and economic stability, which was a lot better than the violent basket-case Rapeville that SA's turned into since. And Ghandi's viewpoint is understandable, given what happened to most colonial servants in Africa ( i.e. get the fuck out and leave all your money behind) after the Brits abandoned the place and left the schwoogies in charge. My first boss was an East Indian Ismali Muslim born in Tanzania. When Julius Nyere and his Marxist scum took the place over after the British left, the entire Indian community was given the choice of leave and live, or stay and die. Ghandhi probably had enough foresight to see what would happen to his fellow Indians, and that's why he may have preferred the stability of apartheid as opposed to the chaos and ethnic cleansing that erupted when the empires in Africa came to an end.

[herbie]

You just haven't fully read the "new" New Testament where Jesus goes to the temple and berates the moneylenders for not charging enough interest.
It is quite interesting, even though it seems awfully similar to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

So-called religious people/organizations have been bending their morals for the almighty buck ever since the concept of religion met the concept of money.

[Lemmy]

They never met. One was created for the explicit purpose of the other. Want to get rich without any effort, work or expenses? Found a church. Religion is the ultimate business. Pay no taxes, produce no product. Pure profit. And brand loyalty like no other.

[Thanos]

Recto-hobbies? That's just sick.

[Unsound]

Lemmy Lemmy:

They never met. One was created for the explicit purpose of the other. Want to get rich without any effort, work or expenses? Found a church. Religion is the ultimate business. Pay no taxes, produce no product. Pure profit. And brand loyalty like no other.

Complete and utter bullshit!

What Quaker ever made any money? The persecuted Christians in Roman times were in t for money? The Jews keep putting up with bullshit on a massive scale because of money?

Might as well say sports was created for the explicit purpose of getting rich.

[Lemmy]

You're confusing religious followers with a religion's creator. A Quaker may not have made any money but the Quaker church sure did.