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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:57 am
It's not an African majority, plurality nor is there even a sizable minority. It's multi-ethnic with a majority Euro(white) make up of the student population, with Indian/Pakistani/East Asian minorities. There are far more Asian kids than blacks attending the school, most of whom are Filipinos and a a few Chinese......and hey guess what? Their families are almost exclusively Christian. This is an initiative of the Principal, Rick Haley.
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:58 am
Halloween is one of the rare "holidays" that can be a shared experience for all kids.
The Muslims think that it is satanic. There is always somebody who won't like something. You can indulge them all if you wish but it is ultimately divisive and ghettoizing to do so. How about thinking of it as a "Canadian" holiday?
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:59 am
desertdude desertdude: Wait for it...... Almost 45 minutes!
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:00 am
No apologies. Some of us knew there was an Islamism angle to this story. So what? Here's the Sharia-negative, blog version of this story. $1: Sharia Adjustments in Canadian Schools
By Cynthia Yacowar-Sweeney
Winnipeg’s Hasting School, presently at the centre of a controversy regarding the cancellation of this year’s Christmas and Halloween celebrations, is part of the very same school division where a dozen Muslim families who recently arrived in Canada, went to demand their children be excused for Islamic reasons, from the elementary school music and co-ed physical education programs, both compulsory, back in 2011.
hastings-school
In the end, the immigrant Muslim families finally accepted the physical education classes, but with stipulations: boys and girls would have separate classes. However, the Muslim parents would not allow their children to be exposed to singing or playing musical instruments, as this is not permitted in Islam. The school division caved to Muslim demands by suggesting these students write a music project instead.
Well, so much for promoting Canadian values. The next thing to go is Canadian traditional holiday celebration. This is actually occurring at Winnipeg’s Hastings School, part of the Louis Riel School Division. Hastings School is not only cancelling Halloween and Christmas celebrations, but replacing them with possibly Islamic ones. Yes, Islamic ones. How so?
Hastings School has decided to go with African “drumming”. Why not African “music”, if anything, like beautiful Mali music that was outlawed by Islam when al Qaeda took control of northern Mali?
What’s interesting is that the “daf” drum from Islamic North Africa is the “only” instrument AND the only “kind” of drum allowed in Islam. Is this the drumming that Hastings school is offering in lieu of our traditional celebrations that have been celebrated for a few hundred years?
According to the Koran and Hadiths, musical instruments, including drums (such as the tabla drums that are not hollow as the daf drums) are all regarded as tools of Satan that lead man astray and away from Islam and the path of Allah (shirk). Musical instruments, as well as singing (especially for women) which is considered the voice of Satan, are against Sharia or Islamic law. They are all forbidden.
Sometimes the daf drum is forbidden in Islam because this drum might stir up human emotion, which is simply not allowed in Islam. The daf drum resembles the tambourine without the metal jingles, so the sound is not all that inspiring, and is therefore often sanctioned in Islam.
With more and more concessions and accommodations to Islam, Canada is beginning to resemble the UK, as Sun Media Ezra Levant writes: “In 2007, some schools (in the UK) stopped teaching the Holocaust because it contradicted the anti-Semitic views held by ‘adamant’ families there. The history of the Crusades was dropped too, because the ‘balanced’ approach taken by schools contradicted what the local mosques were teaching. And in 2008, schools in Bristol yanked gay-friendly books out of libraries when Muslim parents complained.”
There is still time for Hastings School to turn its back on Sharia and bring back the traditional holiday festivities to its students. Let’s see how things progress. http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/07/sha ... more-68211
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:16 am
Unsound Unsound: First reaction was pretty much the same as the rest of you, but on a little more thoiught I've decided to be a little patient here. I'd like to hear the schools reasoning, for starters. I'm also curious about the demographics of the school in question. if it's student body has somehow ended up being 90% African, perhaps this is a more appropriate concert than a Christmas concert would've been.
That said, don't mess with Halloween. A few religious folk aside, Halloween is one of the rare "holidays" that can be a shared experience for all kids. Tried to +5 ya here, but the system stopped me. Who'd a thunk to consider what might be going on eh!
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:21 am
fifeboy fifeboy: Unsound Unsound: First reaction was pretty much the same as the rest of you, but on a little more thoiught I've decided to be a little patient here. I'd like to hear the schools reasoning, for starters. I'm also curious about the demographics of the school in question. if it's student body has somehow ended up being 90% African, perhaps this is a more appropriate concert than a Christmas concert would've been.
That said, don't mess with Halloween. A few religious folk aside, Halloween is one of the rare "holidays" that can be a shared experience for all kids. Tried to +5 ya here, but the system stopped me. Who'd a thunk to consider what might be going on eh! Handled. Bumped him up to 666 points too. 
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:24 am
fifeboy fifeboy: Unsound Unsound: First reaction was pretty much the same as the rest of you, but on a little more thoiught I've decided to be a little patient here. I'd like to hear the schools reasoning, for starters. I'm also curious about the demographics of the school in question. if it's student body has somehow ended up being 90% African, perhaps this is a more appropriate concert than a Christmas concert would've been.
That said, don't mess with Halloween. A few religious folk aside, Halloween is one of the rare "holidays" that can be a shared experience for all kids. Tried to +5 ya here, but the system stopped me. Who'd a thunk to consider what might be going on eh! It was a good idea, but it's not the case. This is just dumbassedness.
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:37 am
I set a pretty low bar for what I expect from a public school anyway. Anything outside the three Rs is basically crap. They were teaching my boy (Gr 5) about what a statesman Genghis Khan was (due toa recent Mongol museum exhibit). I had explain to him the difference between a statesman and a barbarian.
I don't give a rat's ass what our kids' school does for Christmas or Halloween. Or wear pink day. Or environment day. Or any of them.
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:48 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish: I set a pretty low bar for what I expect from a public school anyway. Anything outside the three Rs is basically crap. They were teaching my boy (Gr 5) about what a statesman Genghis Khan was (due toa recent Mongol museum exhibit). I had explain to him the difference between a statesman and a barbarian.
I don't give a rat's ass what our kids' school does for Christmas or Halloween. Or wear pink day. Or environment day. Or any of them. How about: Wiccan Wear Pink Midwinter Festival with Kwanza and Ojibwa Drum Circles. Don't forget to send $20 with each child for a slice of Vegan, Organic pizza!
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:50 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: fifeboy fifeboy: Unsound Unsound: First reaction was pretty much the same as the rest of you, but on a little more thoiught I've decided to be a little patient here. I'd like to hear the schools reasoning, for starters. I'm also curious about the demographics of the school in question. if it's student body has somehow ended up being 90% African, perhaps this is a more appropriate concert than a Christmas concert would've been.
That said, don't mess with Halloween. A few religious folk aside, Halloween is one of the rare "holidays" that can be a shared experience for all kids. Tried to +5 ya here, but the system stopped me. Who'd a thunk to consider what might be going on eh! It was a good idea, but it's not the case. This is just dumbassedness. Possibly, but I would think the other immigrants should have stepped up to the plate and protested, if it was that important. The squeaky wheel does get more attention. Myself. I don't get too upset now that the new God Retail has supplanted the old God my Grandparents worshiped.
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:24 pm
Nope, no possibly, it's definitely...the wife worked there(LRSD) 10 years ago, when it was the St Vital School Division ,and has a few friends still on staff there. Most of the teachers who've been there for awhile think it's PC BS.
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:35 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: No apologies. Some of us knew there was an Islamism angle to this story. So what? Here's the Sharia-negative, blog version of this story. $1: Sharia Adjustments in Canadian Schools
By Cynthia Yacowar-Sweeney
Winnipeg’s Hasting School, presently at the centre of a controversy regarding the cancellation of this year’s Christmas and Halloween celebrations, is part of the very same school division where a dozen Muslim families who recently arrived in Canada, went to demand their children be excused for Islamic reasons, from the elementary school music and co-ed physical education programs, both compulsory, back in 2011.
hastings-school
In the end, the immigrant Muslim families finally accepted the physical education classes, but with stipulations: boys and girls would have separate classes. However, the Muslim parents would not allow their children to be exposed to singing or playing musical instruments, as this is not permitted in Islam. The school division caved to Muslim demands by suggesting these students write a music project instead.
Well, so much for promoting Canadian values. The next thing to go is Canadian traditional holiday celebration. This is actually occurring at Winnipeg’s Hastings School, part of the Louis Riel School Division. Hastings School is not only cancelling Halloween and Christmas celebrations, but replacing them with possibly Islamic ones. Yes, Islamic ones. How so?
Hastings School has decided to go with African “drumming”. Why not African “music”, if anything, like beautiful Mali music that was outlawed by Islam when al Qaeda took control of northern Mali?
What’s interesting is that the “daf” drum from Islamic North Africa is the “only” instrument AND the only “kind” of drum allowed in Islam. Is this the drumming that Hastings school is offering in lieu of our traditional celebrations that have been celebrated for a few hundred years?
According to the Koran and Hadiths, musical instruments, including drums (such as the tabla drums that are not hollow as the daf drums) are all regarded as tools of Satan that lead man astray and away from Islam and the path of Allah (shirk). Musical instruments, as well as singing (especially for women) which is considered the voice of Satan, are against Sharia or Islamic law. They are all forbidden.
Sometimes the daf drum is forbidden in Islam because this drum might stir up human emotion, which is simply not allowed in Islam. The daf drum resembles the tambourine without the metal jingles, so the sound is not all that inspiring, and is therefore often sanctioned in Islam.
With more and more concessions and accommodations to Islam, Canada is beginning to resemble the UK, as Sun Media Ezra Levant writes: “In 2007, some schools (in the UK) stopped teaching the Holocaust because it contradicted the anti-Semitic views held by ‘adamant’ families there. The history of the Crusades was dropped too, because the ‘balanced’ approach taken by schools contradicted what the local mosques were teaching. And in 2008, schools in Bristol yanked gay-friendly books out of libraries when Muslim parents complained.”
There is still time for Hastings School to turn its back on Sharia and bring back the traditional holiday festivities to its students. Let’s see how things progress. http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/07/sha ... more-68211and thar she blows.....
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:06 pm
desertdude desertdude: N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: No apologies. Some of us knew there was an Islamism angle to this story. So what? Here's the Sharia-negative, blog version of this story. $1: Sharia Adjustments in Canadian Schools
By Cynthia Yacowar-Sweeney
Winnipeg’s Hasting School, presently at the centre of a controversy regarding the cancellation of this year’s Christmas and Halloween celebrations, is part of the very same school division where a dozen Muslim families who recently arrived in Canada, went to demand their children be excused for Islamic reasons, from the elementary school music and co-ed physical education programs, both compulsory, back in 2011.
hastings-school
In the end, the immigrant Muslim families finally accepted the physical education classes, but with stipulations: boys and girls would have separate classes. However, the Muslim parents would not allow their children to be exposed to singing or playing musical instruments, as this is not permitted in Islam. The school division caved to Muslim demands by suggesting these students write a music project instead.
Well, so much for promoting Canadian values. The next thing to go is Canadian traditional holiday celebration. This is actually occurring at Winnipeg’s Hastings School, part of the Louis Riel School Division. Hastings School is not only cancelling Halloween and Christmas celebrations, but replacing them with possibly Islamic ones. Yes, Islamic ones. How so?
Hastings School has decided to go with African “drumming”. Why not African “music”, if anything, like beautiful Mali music that was outlawed by Islam when al Qaeda took control of northern Mali?
What’s interesting is that the “daf” drum from Islamic North Africa is the “only” instrument AND the only “kind” of drum allowed in Islam. Is this the drumming that Hastings school is offering in lieu of our traditional celebrations that have been celebrated for a few hundred years?
According to the Koran and Hadiths, musical instruments, including drums (such as the tabla drums that are not hollow as the daf drums) are all regarded as tools of Satan that lead man astray and away from Islam and the path of Allah (shirk). Musical instruments, as well as singing (especially for women) which is considered the voice of Satan, are against Sharia or Islamic law. They are all forbidden.
Sometimes the daf drum is forbidden in Islam because this drum might stir up human emotion, which is simply not allowed in Islam. The daf drum resembles the tambourine without the metal jingles, so the sound is not all that inspiring, and is therefore often sanctioned in Islam.
With more and more concessions and accommodations to Islam, Canada is beginning to resemble the UK, as Sun Media Ezra Levant writes: “In 2007, some schools (in the UK) stopped teaching the Holocaust because it contradicted the anti-Semitic views held by ‘adamant’ families there. The history of the Crusades was dropped too, because the ‘balanced’ approach taken by schools contradicted what the local mosques were teaching. And in 2008, schools in Bristol yanked gay-friendly books out of libraries when Muslim parents complained.”
There is still time for Hastings School to turn its back on Sharia and bring back the traditional holiday festivities to its students. Let’s see how things progress. http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/07/sha ... more-68211and thar she blows..... Frankly, I'd be more concerned if the local Muslim community wanted to substitute a backyard pool party instead.
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:12 pm
$1: The Louis Riel School Division says it does not mandate what traditions and activities are practised at any particular school. So we'll force the school to have a Christmas concert? How very Christian of us. If Ezra Levant is pissed off about it, I say let's get this thing rolling province-wide.
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