[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

Can someone even remotely explain how attacking a Mall in Kenya and a College in Nigeria is a strike against the west and or promotes the faith of Islam?

I heard an interesting analysis of this attack yesterday.

Most hard line Islamists believe the Q'uran is the only thing that should be taught, so attacking a school is not unexpected.

But this attack wasn't about that. Nigeria is a pretty stable and prosperous country. This attack was about stifling foreign investment in Nigeria and making more people dependent on the Islamists.

[N_Fiddledog]

Jihad is varied and flexible. It's designed to attack an enemy from all angles within and without - economic, political, propaganda, military, etc.

With the two specific attacks Stratos mentions; ostensibly the Westgate mall attack was an external attack from a Somalian terrorist organization on a western target in Kenya. The Al Qaeda spinoff organization Al Shabaab launched an attack on a westernized shopping mall in Kenya in response to Kenya's joining in policing efforts with other African countries in Somalia as al Shabaab took advantage of political chaos in Somalia to organize itself with the goal of creating a Sharia state there.

In the case of the terrorist attack on the agricultural school in Nigerian that was an attack from within by a local terrorist group.

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Boko Haram regards schools as a symbol of Western culture. The group's name translates as "Western education is forbidden".

In June, Boko Haram carried out two attacks on schools in the region.

At least nine children were killed in a school on the outskirts of Maiduguri, while 13 students and teachers were killed in a school in Damaturu.
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In July in the village of Mamudo in Yobe state, Islamist militants attacked a school's dormitories with guns and explosives, killing at least 42 people, mostly students.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24322683

But what's it all about as far as long term group strategy is concerned? Well it goes back to the beginning of the Islamic religion when Mohammed began claiming victim status in Mecca just as his followers do now in Western countries. There's an ancient strategy involving strategic lying, increased growth from within, leading to proselytizing among a target societies weakened citizenry (just as the White Widow of the Westgate attack was lured to Jihad 1400 years later). As the Islamic population grows attacks become violent, and as one area is taken over it spreads to exploit other weakened societies from within and without.

As it does this it applies pressure to the more moderate elements within its own ranks. Of the 21,000 or so terrorist attacks since 9/11 most of them have been Muslim on Muslim. Eventually moderate Muslims are controlled, as well as the Kuffar (us).

The strategies of attack are multitudinous in their specifics, but there are some generalities. Here's a couple of recent articles that can offer a clue.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/ ... slims.html

This next one is from 2005, and is a reporter with inside knowledge laying out Al Qaeda's strategy for the coming years.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the ... 69448.html

[BartSimpson]

One redeeming aspect of the jihadis in Nigeria is that they make good fertilizer.

[PostFactum]

Guns are too available nowadays.

[BartSimpson]

PostFactum PostFactum:

Guns are too available nowadays.

Irrelevant. Most of the people who died in the Rwanda genocide were killed with hand tools and machetes.

If crazy people don't have the ability to use guns in their crimes then sometimes they get creative and they use things that end up being far more deadly.

[Jabberwalker]

So, everyone should have as many guns a they want, of as many types as they want because there are atomic bombs in the World? This makes no sense at all. This is an NRA thing.

[Zipperfish]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

So, everyone should have as many guns a they want, of as many types as they want because there are atomic bombs in the World? This makes no sense at all. This is an NRA thing.

Well, really, if you support a right to bear arms, you should be able to have your own atomic bombs as well.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

So, everyone should have as many guns a they want, of as many types as they want because there are atomic bombs in the World? This makes no sense at all. This is an NRA thing.

You are correct that your statement makes no sense at all because the addition of 'atomic bombs' into the discussion is a delusion of yours and not anything that I've said. If you want to discuss this rationally then do so, otherwise GFY.

[Jabberwalker]

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the addition of 'atomic bombs' into the discussion is a delusion of yours and not anything that I've said

Well, it is just one step below using commercial airliners as fuel-air bombs to attack civilian buildings. The only "delusion" going on is that it's quite okay to arm yourself because somewhere, someone else has armed themselves more that you have. Paranoid, much?

I suppose that if you believe that guns designed solely to take human life are somehow analogous to fire extinguishers, then anything goes.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

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the addition of 'atomic bombs' into the discussion is a delusion of yours and not anything that I've said

Well, it is just one step below using commercial airliners as fuel-air bombs to attack civilian buildings. The only "delusion" going on is that it's quite okay to arm yourself because somewhere, someone else has armed themselves more that you have. Paranoid, much?

I suppose that if you believe that guns designed solely to take human life are somehow analogous to fire extinguishers, then anything goes.

I'm not proposing to ban airliners because they might get misused by muslims, am I?

Now, did you want to discuss the topic at hand or do you want to be an irritating fuckwit?

That question, of course, is purely rhetorical as you've already established your bona fides in fuckwittery on this board.

I'm done here but don't let that stop you from posting a masturbatory response that I'll never read.

[Jabberwalker]

Invoking the magical "9-11" to make your pathetic, evil point is an insult to the memory of the people who died there.

BTW, Martin the dim Harley guy, this I a thread about A GUNMAN and talking about GUNS in a thread about GUNMAN is not derailing it. Am I going too quickly for you?

[martin14]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

BTW, Martin the dim Harley guy, this I a thread about A GUNMAN and talking about GUNS in a thread about GUNMAN is not derailing it. Am I going too quickly for you?

hmm, you seem to be checking your rep points on an hourly basis now.

See all the other red dots ? Might want to consider re-evaluating throwing
those rather pathetic personal insults around. I can do a much better job,
if you would like to try.

Stop trying to drag the NRA and American gun culture into a religious war in a country that has no gun laws to enforce or not, ya dumbass.

[Jabberwalker]

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hmm, you seem to be checking your rep points on an hourly basis now.

See all the other red dots ? Might want to consider re-evaluating throwing
those rather pathetic personal insults around. I can do a much better job,
if you would like to try.

Rep. points are so that assholes like you can flame people. If you look more closely, the same three assholes keep doing the flaming, flogging the same flipping horses. Grow up, for gawd sakes. It's an internet forum, not a Miss America pageant. I'm surprised to see that they're still in use, anywhere.

[martin14]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

$1:

hmm, you seem to be checking your rep points on an hourly basis now.

See all the other red dots ? Might want to consider re-evaluating throwing
those rather pathetic personal insults around. I can do a much better job,
if you would like to try.

Rep. points are so that assholes like you can flame people. If you look more closely, the same three assholes keep doing the flaming, flogging the same flipping horses. Grow up, for gawd sakes. It's an internet forum, not a Miss America pageant. I'm surprised to see that they're still in use, anywhere.

I count 6 CKA assholes for you, dickwad.
Shows how tiring you and your idiotic bullshit is getting, fast.
Besides, if you care so little about them, why even bring it up ?
Seems to me you care a lot more than you want to let on.

Either be more civilized, or shut the fuck up and leave.

Oh and stop trying to turn everything into a USA gun thread, Miss Murica.

[llama66]

martin14 martin14:

llama66 llama66:

We need to go after the Imams and the Caliphs, they are the problem.

What you mean the Imams who are sent to Canada by Saudi Arabia and Egypt, who are welcomed with open arms, but never questioned when Canadian kids start showing up in Algeria, Syria and other places ?

Naw, they're not doing anything wrong.

aren't the kids on vacation? There are no Terrorists in Canada (so long as we don't Khadar, any of the Toronto 18 trash, the Via rail losers, the would be Victoria Canada goofs, and Paul Watson, and any other waste of skin losers I have forgot.)