[saturn_656]

Hyack Hyack:

I just wonder if any of these cops thought about trying to beat her lightning fast reflexes and just reach in and take the knife away??

I imagine she would have still ended up with broken bones, but in the wrist/arm instead of hip.

Plus the cop may have ended up being stabbed or cut. Some 80 year olds are pretty spry.

[BeaverFever]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Hyack Hyack:

I just wonder if any of these cops thought about trying to beat her lightning fast reflexes and just reach in and take the knife away??

I imagine she would have still ended up with broken bones, but in the wrist/arm instead of hip.

Plus the cop may have ended up being stabbed or cut. Some 80 year olds are pretty spry.

As best I can tell from media, the allegation she had a knife is not confirmed as no official sources are confirming it. Even if there was a knife, a baton should gave been more than sufficient to take down an 80 yr old. What kind of cop needs a taser to do that?


God, given how much tasers are used for all these minor police encouters, youd think cops are completely helpless without them and that we lived in a land of lawlessness before tasers came about in the past decade or so. However did police forcesmanage without them all these hundreds of years?

[Hyack]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Hyack Hyack:

I just wonder if any of these cops thought about trying to beat her lightning fast reflexes and just reach in and take the knife away??

I imagine she would have still ended up with broken bones, but in the wrist/arm instead of hip.

Plus the cop may have ended up being stabbed or cut. Some 80 year olds are pretty spry.

As best I can tell from media, the allegation she had a knife is not confirmed as no official sources are confirming it. Even if there was a knife, a baton should gave been more than sufficient to take down an 80 yr old. What kind of cop needs a taser to do that?


God, given how much tasers are used for all these minor police encouters, youd think cops are completely helpless without them and that we lived in a land of lawlessness before tasers came about in the past decade or so. However did police forcesmanage without them all these hundreds of years?

Agreed, the point I was trying to get across was could they have tried other means of disarming her before resorting to the taser eg: baton, flashlight. It sounds like the taser was their first response aside from shooting the Hell outta her...

[saturn_656]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Hyack Hyack:

I just wonder if any of these cops thought about trying to beat her lightning fast reflexes and just reach in and take the knife away??

I imagine she would have still ended up with broken bones, but in the wrist/arm instead of hip.

Plus the cop may have ended up being stabbed or cut. Some 80 year olds are pretty spry.

Even if there was a knife, a baton should gave been more than sufficient to take down an 80 yr old. What kind of cop needs a taser to do that?

What makes hitting her with an asp any better (less forceful?) than a taser?

She would have broken bones from an asp hit before she hit the ground. You ever seen an asp? Do you know how they work?

[2Cdo]

All those bitching about the cop using a taser would be bitching no matter what he used. A complete no win scenario for the police here.

[Thanos]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

God, given how much tasers are used for all these minor police encouters, youd think cops are completely helpless without them and that we lived in a land of lawlessness before tasers came about in the past decade or so. However did police forcesmanage without them all these hundreds of years?

Chokeholds and batons. The hurt-feelings crowd and their lawyers successfully got the former banned and had so many restrictions placed on the latter that it's now essentially unusable and just for show.

[Jabberwalker]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

All those bitching about the cop using a taser would be bitching no matter what he used. A complete no win scenario for the police here.

"Phasers on stun."

[OnTheIce]

Hyack Hyack:

Agreed, the point I was trying to get across was could they have tried other means of disarming her before resorting to the taser eg: baton, flashlight. It sounds like the taser was their first response aside from shooting the Hell outta her...

Maybe they did?

Ever try and get close to a person with dementia swinging around a knife? Probably not.

It's easy to sit back and say "they could have done differently" but how would you face the situation with the risk you could be severely injured?

Compared to a tackle or wacking her with a baton( which would have certainly resulted in broken arm/hand) we'd be in the same situation.

[DrCaleb]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

All those bitching about the cop using a taser would be bitching no matter what he used. A complete no win scenario for the police here.

It's no-win, because Police are not mental health Doctors or Nurses, and that is what elderly people with Dimentia need. We saw the trend in Edmonton years ago, that police and people with mental health problems were conflicting all too often.

$1:

The Police and Crisis Team (PACT) partners an Edmonton Police constable with a registered nurse, registered psychiatric nurse, or social worker to provide on-site assessments and intervention for people with psychiatric problems and are in a crisis. The nurse and the police officer work as a team in assessing, managing and deciding about the most appropriate action.

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/communityp ... ealth.aspx

[Brenda]

$1:

Ever try and get close to a person with dementia swinging around a knife? Probably not.

That sure does make you wonder how the health care workers who work with dementia patients (more than one at a time/a day) do it without batons and tasers.

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Ever try and get close to a person with dementia swinging around a knife? Probably not.

That sure does make you wonder how the health care workers who work with dementia patients (more than one at a time/a day) do it without batons and tasers.

Plastic utensils.

[OnTheIce]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Ever try and get close to a person with dementia swinging around a knife? Probably not.

That sure does make you wonder how the health care workers who work with dementia patients (more than one at a time/a day) do it without batons and tasers.

How many health care workers face the treat of stabbing on a daily basis? Likely, not many.

Even still, when health care workers are injured by patients, it doesn't make the news.

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Ever try and get close to a person with dementia swinging around a knife? Probably not.

That sure does make you wonder how the health care workers who work with dementia patients (more than one at a time/a day) do it without batons and tasers.

How many health care workers face the treat of stabbing on a daily basis? Likely, not many.

Even still, when health care workers are injured by patients, it doesn't make the news.

Oh, I don't know. I think it happens more often than you think, but then again, health care workers don't have a power issue, they care about people and want to help them, make their life easier.

So tell me, how many police officers face the threat of stabbing on a daily basis? If it were all of them, every day, you would think they would have found a better way than shooting or tasering, no?

Aside from that, you are the only one stating this old woman had a knife and was threatening the 50 years or so younger police officers with it.

[OnTheIce]

Brenda Brenda:

Oh, I don't know. I think it happens more often than you think, but then again, health care workers don't have a power issue, they care about people and want to help them, make their life easier.

So tell me, how many police officers face the threat of stabbing on a daily basis? If it were all of them, every day, you would think they would have found a better way than shooting or tasering, no?

Aside from that, you are the only one stating this old woman had a knife and was threatening the 50 years or so younger police officers with it.

I think it's unfair to generalize all police as having power issues while labelling all health care workers as saints. Your bias here is clear.

Had you read the post, the knife was mentioned in media reports already. There's a link posted above.

How many times are police faced with the threat of stabbing? No clue...but their duty is to protect the public, themselves and the suspect. 1 and 2 come before 3.

[DrCaleb]

Brenda Brenda:

Oh, I don't know. I think it happens more often than you think, but then again, health care workers don't have a power issue, they care about people and want to help them, make their life easier.

So tell me, how many police officers face the threat of stabbing on a daily basis? If it were all of them, every day, you would think they would have found a better way than shooting or tasering, no?

My girlfriend is the Director of an Extended Care Facility; and it doesn't happen very often because they know how to treat patients who can show signs of confusion. Some will accept the loss of their memory, others will become very agitated and some even become violent. Those people, they calm down and keep away from sharp pokie things.

Brenda Brenda:

Aside from that, you are the only one stating this old woman had a knife and was threatening the 50 years or so younger police officers with it.

From Zip's link a page back:

$1:

Officers were called to the area of Thomas St. and Erin Mills Pkwy. around 3:30 a.m. after a woman, who has not been named but is believed to suffer from dementia, was spotted wandering the streets with a kitchen knife in her hand.