[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

Seriously Bart?
Only straighty whitey can set rules others have to follow?

[GreenTiger]

What does the Russian law actually say?

[Unsound]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

Seriously Bart?
Only straighty whitey can set rules others have to follow?

Huh?

Based entirely on what Bart posted, which admittedly may not be a wise move, this man has an unpopular opinion about gay marriage. That's not a crime. He kept his opinion to himself, which seems like the right thing to do. Now he's losing his career because he shut up? Isn't "shutting up" exactl what most people want the unpolitically correct to do?

Full disclosure... I have done exactly no research on this case and it is entirely possible this man is a piece of shit who deserves everthing he gets.

[Brenda]

Unsound Unsound:

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

Seriously Bart?
Only straighty whitey can set rules others have to follow?

Huh?

Based entirely on what Bart posted, which admittedly may not be a wise move, this man has an unpopular opinion about gay marriage. That's not a crime. He kept his opinion to himself, which seems like the right thing to do. Now he's losing his career because he shut up? Isn't "shutting up" exactl what most people want the unpolitically correct to do?

Full disclosure... I have done exactly no research on this case and it is entirely possible this man is a piece of shit who deserves everthing he gets.

It's not about the story (which is why I didn't quote that), but about Bart's comments about it.
How come Bart can say ANYTHING about 'intolerant gays' while he doesn't want to allow gays any rights?

[Unsound]

Bart can anything he wants. We all can, and do, argue with what he says. He says he thinks gays are being intolerant, in this case he might be right. Simple enough to argue with him though.

The easiest argument being that intolerant behaviour by some gays doesn't really mean all should be tarred with the same brush, any more than Gingrich's drug and divorce problems should be projected on Bart. Every group has it's intolerant or radical elements. Political correctness too often prevents this being pointed out about some of the favoured groups while other groups too often get defined by it.

I personally think Bart makes too much of the fringes in groups like the gay community or muslims, but with him being a member of frequently demonized group himself, I can understand it.

[Brenda]

Unsound Unsound:

Bart can anything he wants. We all can, and do, argue with what he says. He says he thinks gays are being intolerant, in this case he might be right. Simple enough to argue with him though.

The easiest argument being that intolerant behaviour by some gays doesn't really mean all should be tarred with the same brush, any more than Gingrich's drug and divorce problems should be projected on Bart. Every group has it's intolerant or radical elements. Political correctness too often prevents this being pointed out about some of the favoured groups while other groups too often get defined by it.

I personally think Bart makes too much of the fringes in groups like the gay community or muslims, but with him being a member of frequently demonized group himself, I can understand it.

Bart can say anything he wants, and I can call him on his bullshit.

The story in itself (if true, and this man loses his job because of his views, or lack there of) is ridiculous and wouldn't go very far. Your personal opinions have nothing to do with the way you do your job, until they do.

Yet again, Bart is making a big issue out of ONE gay person and uses the broad brush. He does so with Muslims, he does so with gays, he does so with women who have had an abortion and with people on welfare.
As long as people walk his path, all is fine. The second they step out of his comfort zone, the whole religion, gender, sexual orientation, or political affiliation is 'bad'.

It is getting a little old. Maybe he needs a little lesson in tolerance. Would look good on him.

[Teikiatsu]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

"Everything must be fine. It comes from history. We never had any problems, these problems in Russia, and we don't want to have any in the future."

Who's 'we'?
Ignoring it does not make it go away. People are gay. I don't see the problem. The problem, my dear, is YOU.

The problem is people who think that a deviant behavior is worthy of placing on a pedestal and must be aggresively protected from anyone who dares say otherwise. The problem is people who are not satisfied with tolerance but instead demand acceptance and special priviledge.

[CanadianJeff]

I actually have a LOT of doubts on the article:

1. The comments in question almost all come from one side of the issue here and there isn't even a spot for the commander to comment or what the charges are in detail.

2. When your commanding officer asks you a question multiple times to determine where you stand on something that could disrupt the chain of command and you refuse to answer it's not off the table that it could be taken as insubordination.

3. Given the military's previous history on the issue it's more then a little hard to see things turning this hard this fast in the other direction.

4. This is fox news taking the word of a pastor and putting it into an anti gay news story. That's some very important context there. What the hell someone's pastor has to say shouldn't have any relevance or bearing on this story.

Frankly this story is too full of holes for me not to have some very large suspicions this is being spun for the fox audience.

So yeah sorry Bart but I don't think it's wrong of me to be very suspicious there is way more going on here then fox would like to spin the story as.

[Brenda]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

"Everything must be fine. It comes from history. We never had any problems, these problems in Russia, and we don't want to have any in the future."

Who's 'we'?
Ignoring it does not make it go away. People are gay. I don't see the problem. The problem, my dear, is YOU.

The problem is people who think that a deviant behavior is worthy of placing on a pedestal and must be aggresively protected from anyone who dares say otherwise. The problem is people who are not satisfied with tolerance but instead demand acceptance and special priviledge.

If you consider being gay 'deviant behaviour', then there is no way there is any discussion possible here.

[CanadianJeff]

Thankfully that way of thinking is going out of style. In 25 or 30 years that will be looked upon with the same amount of "I can't believe people used to think that" that the idea of suffrage is now viewed with.

Truth is at the end of the day with people like Teikatsu all you an do is live your life in a happy and healthy manner as a gay man and let that do the talking.

Teikatsu if you have any questions at all regarding homosexuality you would like honest answers from someone who is gay then please ask.

[Jughead]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

That is just wrong. There is no way many of us can ever endorse gay marriage. For many of us gay marriage falls in direct conflict with our religious beliefs. As no one can force us to change our faith, it is understandable that many of us simply want no part of anything related to gay marriage in our lives. Freedom of religion has been around way longer than gay marriage.

This fellow who has issues with his employer because he will not endorse gay marriage should get a good lawyer, he has a damn good case.

[llama66]

Jughead Jughead:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

That is just wrong. There is no way many of us can ever endorse gay marriage. For many of us gay marriage falls in direct conflict with our religious beliefs. As no one can force us to change our faith, it is understandable that many of us simply want no part of anything related to gay marriage in our lives. Freedom of religion has been around way longer than gay marriage.

This fellow who has issues with his employer because he will not endorse gay marriage should get a good lawyer, he has a damn good case.

Why does it matter what someone else is doing with someone else in someone else's house/room? does it directly affect you? If two men/women love each other and want to be married why should we stop them? Live and let live.

[Lemmy]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

The problem is people who think that a deviant behavior is worthy of placing on a pedestal and must be aggresively protected from anyone who dares say otherwise. The problem is people who are not satisfied with tolerance but instead demand acceptance and special priviledge.

You conservatives pay a lot of lip-service to the notion that individual liberties are important, but your actions are very different from your words.

[CanadianJeff]

Jughead Jughead:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

That is just wrong. There is no way many of us can ever endorse gay marriage. For many of us gay marriage falls in direct conflict with our religious beliefs. As no one can force us to change our faith, it is understandable that many of us simply want no part of anything related to gay marriage in our lives. Freedom of religion has been around way longer than gay marriage.

This fellow who has issues with his employer because he will not endorse gay marriage should get a good lawyer, he has a damn good case.

And some things are way way more important then your faith. In fact you may have to blame faith just a little bit for people wishing to endorse love over hate...

[stratos]

I thought I saw an artical saying she, the pole volter, was backing off her comments. Anyone else seen that artical?