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[herbie]

There's many ways to teach. My son was in Grade 3 or 4 when the Gulf War broke out. He seemed quite upset so I had a chat with him, turned out his teacher was Arab and his concern was scaring the kids.
I pulled out a globe and a tape measure, and showed him and his two friends Iraq on the globe. Then Prince George. Took the tape measure and showed them the range of a Scud missile then centered it on Iraq and moved it in a circle.
That's how far those missiles can go. The kids were astonished. "How LAME!!". They all slept well after that.
Just like learning decimals. So many kids panic... but I had to chuckle when my daughter was helping her friends little sister. "You already know decimals, you've got a bunch in your pocket"... the same tool I'd used to teach her several years before. Most 6 or 7 year olds could figure out what 13 quarters and 13 dimes comes to, but would never comprehend it was the same as 13 X 0.35
My main concern is when the kids insist they have to do math a certain way, because the teacher said so.

[bambu]

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I didn't deal with physical discipline at home (after the age of 10, at least) and obviously never at school (other than from fellow students, again before the age of 10), yet I felt far more self-aware than my fellow classmates. I didn't skate through high school; I failed miserably. But got into college anyway for having an excellent ability to read and write (LPI test). I paid attention in school (didn't do assignments however) and semi-humbly believe I was at least above average compared to my fellow classmates who were busy staring at phones yet still aced tests for their backward parents.

My solution is a massive social overhaul. Part of my whole ideology.

More kids go to school and university now than back in "the good ol' days" where kids often skipped out on school entirely because they weren't legally required to be there and didn't really need the education anyway for employment opportunities.

Respect for teachers won't start with a whip. As a kid who was beaten ruthlessly for minor infractions (until I was 10, when he died) all I dreamt of was murdering him. There was pure fear, zero respect, and only dark thoughts filled my mind. I listened to him in utter passive aggression, spending more time on ideas for ridiculous righteous murder than on cleaning my room or completing homework. How healthy can that be, to have a mortal enemy at age 10? To even be imagining such awful ways to end conflict? Abuse begets abuse, violence makes for violent people. If kids wanted to bring guns to school before, god knows they'll dream and worship the concept after corporal punishment and violence is mandated by their violent superiors. I can only imagine.

I don't feel that just because students back then were quiet meant they were necessarily any more learned than their counterparts nowadays.

I've never felt pride or respect for any soul who has laid their insolent hand on me, no matter how righteous they would seem later. If anything cowardly, I felt fear. But mostly, almost completely, pure aggressive hatred and long-lasting engraved feelings of needing to seek vengeance.

Another generation of children taught to be as psychotic as their beast parents is definitely not the solution to our nation. Unless we want a higher rate of murder, aggravated assault, and wife-beating. Children learn discipline alright: how to give it.

A terrible story.
I have no doubt many murders are born from such abuse.

After I left school and started in the workforce .....[only 20% of the nation attended university in those days, married women were not allowed to work, so I found a job].....about 2 years later I encountered my old cane-wielding headmaster in the street.
He must've been retired, and was with his wife.
He looked a lot older than I'd remembered, and seemed a bit hunched over.
My first instinct was to shoulder him into the nearest sharp object or brick wall...'payback'...but I didn't...mommy-dearest always told me to respect 'the elderly'.

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[bambu]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

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Also, the whip will never be coming back. It just won't. You can lament the olden days I suppose, but the strap can never return. If education/interest (or rather, compliance/silent apathy) can't be made without smacking children around, there's problems with far more than just teachers, students, and parents.

Then what do you suggest since the current approach isn't working? Although it may just be me but, IMO kids need discipline and structure two things most of them aren't getting at home or at school.

So what do we do. Let them skate through school, get a high school diploma and then get turned down for a University because they can't read or write at a level above grade 6? Doing it the way it's being done now we're gonna eventually end up with an extremely small generation of overachievers and a huge generation of "do you want fries with that's"

Or, do we smarten up and start putting discipline, respect and pride back in the education system and no it doesn't have to be a beating every morning to keep in line but, how about respect for your teachers, and maybe a little bit of fear thrown in for good measure.

Of course for that to work parents would have to become a lot more involved in their children's lives and actually back the teachers with discipline at home. Things which I don't see happening for a majority of families.

You may make light of the "olden days" but let me tell you if you screwed up in school that was the least of your problems. When you got home you'd get it even worse. So keeping your piehole closed and learning was the lesser of two evils for my generation.

But you're right about the system being pooched. Most parents out here if they can afford it send their kids to private schools so they get a much better quality education and learn about those things I mentioned above.

This is happening even more so since the public school system has become a battleground between the union and the Provincial Gov't with the kids as bargaining chips.

There can be discipline and respect in schools without physical abuse by teachers/principals/'education HO'.

Turn public schools into 'private schools'.
Do in public schools what they do in private schools.

. Have a school uniform...all students dressed the same.
. All phones to be handed in at the school office before classes start for the day.
. Misbehave in class...it's off to the time-out room for you...security guard with a gun the host.
Misbehave in the time-out room, then you must write out 1000 times "I must not misbehave in class".
Don't want to do that...it's suspension for you...and a letter written to your parents.

[herbie]

The first calculators came out when I was in first year university. Couple Chinese friends has them, the battery pack could be carried on your belt. I made so with Dad's old slide rule. Good enough to build an atom bomb or go to the moon with, right?
Good to 2 decimal places, just like money.
1.5 x 1.6 and show my work? Ok 10 16s is 160 right? 5 16s is obviously 80. 160+80 is 240, there 2 decimals so slide it 2 left. 2.4 Why do I need to write it down?
Whaddaya mean 2 and 2 is 4? 2 plus 2 is four. 2 times 2 is four. 2 AND 2 is 2! What's 2 OR 2 teach?
Drove them nuts in elementary. In High school, I would fuck up answers on purpose so I wouldn't get beaten daily as a nerd and girls would even look at you. Settle for a B
What general commanded Allied forces in WW2?
Motors
What Prime Minister is on the five dollar bill?
I dunno but Diefenbaker's on the $3
How many oz. in 1 qt?
1.14L worth

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herbie herbie:

1.5 x 1.6 and show my work? Ok 10 16s is 160 right? 5 16s is obviously 80. 160+80 is 240, there 2 decimals so slide it 2 left. 2.4 Why do I need to write it down?

What you don't know your times table upto 20x20?

[bambu]

Oh, and students must hand in 'non-school' laptops, 'i-pads' etc to the school office before classes commence for the day.

Dress all students in public schools the same...in the school uniform.
eg; No dramas on Cinco de Mayo day in America with 'US flag shirts' wars.
No 'fashion parades' with female [or male] students...no 'rich and poor' dress problems.
No slippers, running shoes etc...only regulation school shoes allowed.
A special 'sports day' uniform.
All students can be identified in public [by their school uniform]on their way to and from school.

School uniform, make school a good and fun place to be, two-way respect between students and teachers, and students and students, and who knows what can be achieved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFc3w9Tnys
Gosford High | class of 2012 .


"To Sir With Love" is instructive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDtFVFst59c
Part 3

[herbie]

Yeah every extreme conservative sings that song.
Really good if the lesson is about conformity. But we haven't even started teaching what we need to: how to adapt and quickly. The kids in schools now are gonna have to change careers three or four times in their lives as the bean-counters fuck entire economic models over one by one.

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bambu bambu:

School uniform, make school a good and fun place to be, two-way respect between students and teachers, and students and students, and who knows what can be achieved.

Good people make a school good and fun, not the clothes students wear.

[bambu]

Xort Xort:

bambu bambu:

School uniform, make school a good and fun place to be, two-way respect between students and teachers, and students and students, and who knows what can be achieved.

Good people make a school good and fun, not the clothes students wear.

Having a school uniform helps make all the students 'equal' while they're there.
I've read all about the dress dramas at US schools that have no uniforms.

[bambu]

herbie herbie:

Yeah every extreme conservative sings that song.
Really good if the lesson is about conformity. But we haven't even started teaching what we need to: how to adapt and quickly. The kids in schools now are gonna have to change careers three or four times in their lives as the bean-counters fuck entire economic models over one by one.

Not the song, what the video shows happens in the classroom with Sir and the students.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDtFVFst59c

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bambu bambu:

Having a school uniform helps make all the students 'equal' while they're there.
I've read all about the dress dramas at US schools that have no uniforms.

They'll find something else to form cliques around.

Sticking everyone in the same outfit doesn't mean everyone is equal.

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saturn_656 saturn_656:

bambu bambu:

Having a school uniform helps make all the students 'equal' while they're there.
I've read all about the dress dramas at US schools that have no uniforms.

They'll find something else to form cliques around.

Sticking everyone in the same outfit doesn't mean everyone is equal.

True, but at least they're dressed equally.

School uniform...pride in the school there just might be.

[stratos]

wow we went from Geography to the need to wear school uniforms way to dumb down the topic.

Well done Herbbie on showing your son and his friends why the war was nothing for them to be overly worried about.