westmanguy westmanguy:
Just gonna scroll over yet another of Bart's anti-gay posts...
You're misreading me. My post was not anti-gay just because I'm not on the
hate Russia bandwagon.
Like I said, Canada can always stand on her principles and offer asylum to the Russian gay community if it is truly so troubling to you.
In far fewer words Xerxes did a better job of touching on the overall point I was trying to make:
xerxes xerxes:
True dat. Their foreign policy rationale seems to be "because Fuck America, that's why!"
This is really a lot closer to the heart of the
overall issue.
The Russians are acutely sensitive to the Westernization of their culture and they're also deeply attuned to the degradation of their culture via Western influence. Putin, in particular, is quite in tune with this.
Why?
Because he is ex-KGB and one of the tactics the KGB and the Soviets used against the West during the Cold War was the sly tactic of trying to get us to rot from within. I forget the name of the Soviet defector who first spoke of this (Mitrokhin?) but he spelled out why the Soviets were so interested in Hollywood.
See, all of the stuff about McCarthy wasn't paranoid drivel. Nope, the VENONA decrypts and the later declassification of Cold War secrets by Boris Yeltsin showed that Soviet influence in Hollywood was widespread and they had mulitple goals which all focused on literally demoralizing America. Meaning that they wanted to distance our society from our moral foundations.
And they have. Now it's coming right back at them as the influences that Soviet provocateurs advocated in the US and Europe are now coming right back onto their shores. They gave Americans a thirst for porn and now Russia's youth are finding the best paying jobs in Russia's porn industry. They pushed gay rights in the West and then it came back to them in spades.
And people like Putin know that his former agency is the source of this and he's worried because Russia's birth rate is unsustainable, his best people don't want to live there anymore, and what people do live there are amoral to the point that we see things like Pussy Riot desecrating the holiest place in Orthodox Christendom. And if anything triggered a crack down on liberal culture in Russia it was this one act of thoughtlessness.
It proves that young Russians have no respect for their own culture and that worries people like Vladimir Putin who knows he bears responsibility for what happened and now he wants to try to fix it. He's probably too late, IMHO.
In any case, the Russians are not doing anything that the West doesn't openly tolerate when it occurs in a muslim country. Where's the outrage about the reported 300 homosexuals who were murdered by the Morsi regime in Egypt? Where's the outrage about the ongoing persecution of gays in Iran? What about the beheadings that periodically take place in Saudi Arabia?
Oh, but Russia is bad because they don't want their children exposed to flagrant homosexual behavior.
And while what Xerxes said is at the heart of this, the Western hypocrisy of condemning the Russians for doing something that's downright tolerant compared to what the muslims do only serves to reinforce that 'F*ck America' attitude.
That it offends you that I'm willing to see more to this than a simple statement of support or opposition to gay rights is understandable on your part because it hits so close to home. At the same time you need to open your mind and see that the issue here is far more complex than just gay rights. The Russians are starting to wage a culture war and they use our condemnations to substantiate their reasons for reversing 20+ years of cultural liberalism.
And, like I said, their perspective differs from ours because the current status of gay rights in the West is, in part, a product of a documented KGB operation to destabilize our culture. They don't like seeing their own weapon turned against them.
Respectfully submitted.
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