[bootlegga]

xerxes xerxes:

No kidding. Be more surprised if there wasn't an enemies list.

Of course something like this exists - but most people are smart enough not to EMAIL shit like that around.

I have little doubt Chretien had his own list of people who got shitty treatment, but at least he was never stupid enough to publicize it.

[ShepherdsDog]

it was pretty clear Paul Martin was on his hit list.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

SprCForr SprCForr:

What astounds me is the naivety of some people that think that politicians DON'T ever do that sort of shit.

No shit, eh.

Although I think you guys are 100% right that this is just the kind of thing that happens in politics and we shouldn't read too much into it, I am starting to find it distressing that there is so much of this kind of stuff. We've gotten so accustomed to it and so cynical that we not only don't get upset anymore, we actually have a tendency to look down on those who do still get upset. It's a little sad, and sadder still that this "politics as usual" thing was one of the things the Reform part was started in reaction to.

[DrCaleb]

Unsound Unsound:

martin14 martin14:

SprCForr SprCForr:

What astounds me is the naivety of some people that think that politicians DON'T ever do that sort of shit.

No shit, eh.

Although I think you guys are 100% right that this is just the kind of thing that happens in politics and we shouldn't read too much into it, I am starting to find it distressing that there is so much of this kind of stuff. We've gotten so accustomed to it and so cynical that we not only don't get upset anymore, we actually have a tendency to look down on those who do still get upset. It's a little sad, and sadder still that this "politics as usual" thing was one of the things the Reform part was started in reaction to.

Bingo!

Wish I could +5 you for it.

[martin14]

Unsound Unsound:

Although I think you guys are 100% right that this is just the kind of thing that happens in politics and we shouldn't read too much into it, I am starting to find it distressing that there is so much of this kind of stuff. We've gotten so accustomed to it and so cynical that we not only don't get upset anymore, we actually have a tendency to look down on those who do still get upset. It's a little sad, and sadder still that this "politics as usual" thing was one of the things the Reform part was started in reaction to.

All I can say.. have a look at the Italian story I put up a while earlier.

The gist of it is:

A civil servant cut orders for the wife and kid of a Kazak dissident to be deported back to Kazakstan.
He claims he didn't know the Kazak and family had been granted asylum, and he didn't inform the Minister.. or, well, too much bullshit to sift through if he did or not.

Imagine;
40 years serving, now top civil servant in the Ministry of Interior,
makes a fuck up like that.

Why ?
He's from Naples, maybe a Mafia threatened his family thing.
Maybe a big bribe, couple million so he can retire happy.
Maybe he wanted to piss off his boss, a Berlusconi guy.
Maybe his friends in 5Star want a new election.
Or maybe he is just that stupid.


Anyway, the wife and kid are now in Kazakstan, not a very democratic place.
The wife will no doubt go to jail, to tempt the husband into coming back and facing
a very kangaroo court.
They will threaten to put the kid into an orphanage.


And we then have to listen to partisan crap about maybe the Minister shouldn't
be buddy buddy with a bunch of eco-retards, or to watch out for this person
in the Ministry who seems to bitch a lot about policy and have an axe to grind.

Watch out indeed.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Wish I could +5 you for it.

I got him, he makes a good point.

In general I agree, but things everywhere are getting way too nasty these days.
A sure sign we have lost our direction, and are too busy with our petty squabbles
to see the real problems coming.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Wish I could +5 you for it.

I got him, he makes a good point.

In general I agree, but things everywhere are getting way too nasty these days.
A sure sign we have lost our direction, and are too busy with our petty squabbles
to see the real problems coming.

Indeed. However, I am enjoying the Schadenfrued that "Canada's Government" has become now what they origninally set out to fight.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

All I can say.. have a look at the Italian story I put up a while earlier....


(bunch of words)


And we then have to listen to partisan crap about maybe the Minister shouldn't
be buddy buddy with a bunch of eco-retards, or to watch out for this person
in the Ministry who seems to bitch a lot about policy and have an axe to grind.

Watch out indeed.

It does help put things in perspective. Regardless of which party happens to be in power Canada tends to have pretty decent and relatively uncorrupt governance, and that's something we should all be grateful for.

That said, just because I'm grateful my kid isn't doing drugs and getting hauled home by cops doesn't mean she gets a pass on not cleaning her room...

[martin14]

True enough, it's a reflection on how everything has become partisan.

[ShepherdsDog]

Sort of interesting that what we today label as corruption, here in Canada, is SOP in most European 'democracies' and was SOP in Canadian government just a generation or two ago....you know, what we refer to as Canada's golden age.

[Zipperfish]

It's all part of the storyline the Liberals are trying to develop--that the country is run by a bunch of recent Carleton polysci grads in the PMO, more concerend with winning the next election than running the country. Seems to be sticking too.

[Curtman]

$1:

Former environment minister Peter Kent, who is now a Conservative backbencher, said in an interview with Postmedia News that he had not seen nor was aware of any such request from the PMO.

He added it makes perfect sense for an incoming minister to be briefed on those organizations and interest groups he or she can expect to interact with on the new file.

But Kent said “friend and enemy” language is not only “juvenile,” but harkens to former U.S. president Richard Nixon’s so-called “Enemies List,” the existence of which was revealed during the Watergate scandal.

It's a CPC MP that made the Nixon administration comparison. I don't see how it's Liberals that are storytelling. It's the Reform roots making a stink about it maybe.