[raydan]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

To say that attack ads don't work is historically incorrect and is also too early to make such a statement.

In my defense, I never said they don't work... just that they shouldn't.

[OnTheIce]

raydan raydan:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

To say that attack ads don't work is historically incorrect and is also too early to make such a statement.

In my defense, I never said they don't work... just that they shouldn't.

I agree.

I wish that people from all sides of the political spectrum didn't let these ads effect them and expect more. I don't think we're there yet.

[Zipperfish]

QBC QBC:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Coming from you, the anti-Harper guy, your opinion means little.

Does that also mean that since you're a pro-Harper guy that your opinion means as little?

Burn!

[FieryVulpine]

raydan raydan:

Attack ads and mudslinging are used because they work... if more people decided to show politicians that they don't, they would stop. More outrage over the ads might help too.

The fact that the ads were not outright false does not do Justin Trudeau any favors either. Neither were the comments he made on the Boston Marathon Bombings when Peter Mansbridge interviewed him.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

...politics is both an ugly and dirty game..

So's Grade 5.

Having been on the receiving end of bullying in Grade 5 (and on the giving end of it in middle school, much to my eternal shame) I cannot dispute that.

QBC QBC:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Coming from you, the anti-Harper guy, your opinion means little.

Does that also mean that since you're a pro-Harper guy that your opinion means as little?

*Rimshot*

[Zipperfish]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

The fact that the ads were not outright false does not do Justin Trudeau any favors either. Neither were the comments he made on the Boston Marathon Bombings when Peter Mansbridge interviewed him.

Whether they are true or false is irrelevant. What matters is if they work or not. This one isn't working, as evidenced by the fact that there's a lot of Conservatvies who don't want anything to do with it. Also, the ad itself has become the focus of largely negative media.

The ad coincided with an uptick in Trudeau support, but correlation is not causation. I don't think they've done Trudeau any harm.

Trudeau's comments on the Boston bombing were pretty moronic.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

This one isn't working, as evidenced by the fact that there's a lot of Conservatvies who don't want anything to do with it.

Irrelevant. Some MP's never send the ten percenters out. Just because this is the first you've heard of it, doesn't mean it's new.

[CanadianJeff]

When you can't fight ideas.....

Except in Trudeau's case it's hard to fight a complete lack of ideas.

I haven't really seen anything coming from him that's a concrete "our party will do this if elected". Which is why for now I'll never vote for him.

[raydan]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

When you can't fight ideas.....

Except in Trudeau's case it's hard to fight a complete lack of ideas.

I haven't really seen anything coming from him that's a concrete "our party will do this if elected". Which is why for now I'll never vote for him.

Sorry, we just learned that since you're a pro-Harper guy, your opinion means nothing.

[andyt]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

When you can't fight ideas.....

Except in Trudeau's case it's hard to fight a complete lack of ideas.

I haven't really seen anything coming from him that's a concrete "our party will do this if elected". Which is why for now I'll never vote for him.

Eventually he will have to put out a platform, but he'd be foolish to do so this early. OTOH, if he's smart, he'll develop some bigger themes to put out in the next while, not just attack the govt (as opposition he's got to do that too). What he'd better not do for very long is what he's doing at the moment - coasting. But maybe he's setting the ground work. People commented that he was the best organized and prepared of the candidates for leadership. It was said that he's more politically astute than people give him credit for - time will tell. But Harper is certainly having his troubles, so people will look around for an alternative, and Mulcair has gone nowhere.

[OnTheIce]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

When you can't fight ideas.....

Except in Trudeau's case it's hard to fight a complete lack of ideas.

I haven't really seen anything coming from him that's a concrete "our party will do this if elected". Which is why for now I'll never vote for him.

He's going to legalize weed. That's the only thing I've heard from our former friend, Curtman.

[peck420]

I think Lemmy and Zip hit the nail here.

Alberta is known as C heartland...and, so far, none of the 'usually C' people I know are very impressed with the attack ads.

Partly to distance us from the US...am I the only one noticing a growing trend, in Canada, to forge our own path, and stop following/emulating US ideas?

And partly because it is childish. The novelty has worn off, time to get back to the actual business.

[andyt]

They seem to have worked for the BC Liberals, while the NDP taking the high road cost them the election. I don't watch much TV, so i didn't see the ads. There's a difference between ads that go after a policy of the opposition but in a factual way, and those over the top, out of context fear mongering ads. Or ones that have no substance, like the Trudeau shirt off one - I mean come on.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

They seem to have worked for the BC Liberals, while the NDP taking the high road cost them the election. I don't watch much TV, so i didn't see the ads. There's a difference between ads that go after a policy of the opposition but in a factual way, and those over the top, out of context fear mongering ads. Or ones that have no substance, like the Trudeau shirt off one - I mean come on.

Part of the Liberal win in BC is being attributed to attack ads, but I really don't think anyone really knows what happened in BC. Maybe it was the attack ads. Maybe those who said they were going to vote didn't. Maybe people changed their minds in the poll booth. Maybe people just lie to pollsters. Maybe the models they are using to predict outcomes haven't kept up with the times.

But the attack ads by the Liberals in BC weren't even close to as sophomoric as this Trudeau one, which seemed to aim more at personal humiliation than anything.

Now we get Grade 5 students telling Harper not to be a bully. The Liberals couldn't have choreographed that better themselves. Mind you, I don' buy this teacher's line that the "kids came up with the idea themselves." I wouldn't be surprised if they were mischievously led to that line of inquiry by the teacher.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

When you can't fight ideas.....

Except in Trudeau's case it's hard to fight a complete lack of ideas.

I haven't really seen anything coming from him that's a concrete "our party will do this if elected". Which is why for now I'll never vote for him.

Eventually he will have to put out a platform, but he'd be foolish to do so this early. OTOH, if he's smart, he'll develop some bigger themes to put out in the next while, not just attack the govt (as opposition he's got to do that too). What he'd better not do for very long is what he's doing at the moment - coasting. But maybe he's setting the ground work. People commented that he was the best organized and prepared of the candidates for leadership. It was said that he's more politically astute than people give him credit for - time will tell. But Harper is certainly having his troubles, so people will look around for an alternative, and Mulcair has gone nowhere.

Laying the groundwork adn staying behind the scenes is smart. The Conservatives are busy getting themselves in trouble at the moment. Never interrupt an enemy in the process of making a mistake, to paraphrase Napolean.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

This one isn't working, as evidenced by the fact that there's a lot of Conservatvies who don't want anything to do with it.

Irrelevant. Some MP's never send the ten percenters out. Just because this is the first you've heard of it, doesn't mean it's new.

I've considered your opinion and determined that you are wrong. Now apologize.