[PluggyRug]

This program probably costs $2 for every $1 saved.

Yep CPC bad move.

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

What's the expected savings from eliminating EI fraud, and interrogating mostly innocent people? And the justification for raising premiums when EI is continually in surplus?

Ah, not a big fan of accountability are you? Not really surprising considering your political stripes.

You seem to want to hold the government accountable for money it spends but for the money we hand out? Guess not.

Perhaps you need to brush up on Canada's EI program and why changes are being made. You often jump into topics just to take a partisan dig and have zero knowledge of the topic at hand.

Blah, blah, blah.

No answers 'eh? You're so full of spin, your own rhetoric is making you dizzy.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

Blah, blah, blah.

No answers 'eh? You're so full of spin, your own rhetoric is making you dizzy.

Yea, who cares to learn about the actual situation and why our EI system needs major changes?

You're not here to get to solve problems or find answers, you're looking to find ways to take partisan digs.

Learning about topics just gets in the way of that. It's much easier to take a little snippet of information and just type "Bad Management".

[BeaverFever]

There are already pretty robust controls for EI (whether for unemployment, maternity, or other benefits). For starters, you need to provide a Record of Employment from your former employer(s) at the time of applicaiton to prove your entitelment to benefits. EI sends a letter to the former employer to confirm the facts (I have seen these employer etters myself).

Second, EI checks your info against tax returns (both historical and ongoing) while you're on benefits. They also check against CBA records to determine if you left the country, Corrections records to determine if you've been in jail, etc. It's all automated reporting. And of course, if you are back to work, the EI and CPP deductions from your new employer will show up as well.

Third, people on EI already need to report weekly by phone or internet to confirm that they're in town, looking for a job, etc.

Fourth, after a certain number of weeks, a letter is sent to the claimant's home (in the case of unemployment benefits) requireing them to show up to an "information session" to be held within the next 48 hours. If you don't show up, your benefits are cut off until you personally meet with a case worker, explain why you didn't go, and if your explanation is accepted, attend the very next session. The "info session" itself is just window dressing, they just present info that is already on the Service Canada website, e.g. how to look for a job, what government training programs are available, etc: 'Did you know that there is a federal job bank with tens of 1000's of shitty, poorly described, minimum wage jobs that you can waste hours of the day flipping through one by one? Check it out!'

Lastly, the fact that EI only pays 55% of your pre-employment earnings up to a max of $517 a week (2012 limit) is its own deterrent. The max means iyou made over the max insurable earnings (48,900 in 2012) you will be getting less than 55%. People have rent and bills to pay that don't disappear just because they're on mat leave/unemployed/critically ill/have a dying family member to care for. Nobody can sustain living on that amount for longer than they have to. And EI, CPP and tax are deducted from those payments so your take-home is less than that!


And do you think if EI shows up at a ptoential employer where you've applied for a job to inform them that you're an EI claimant under investigation and then grills said potential employer about your demeanour, physical appearance, etc. will hurt your chances of getting that job? I think it probably would.

Finally, what is the scope of this supposed EI fraud taking place?

The Public Accounts show that the government is actually reclaiming all but a fraction of the fraudulent claims paid out:

2010: $119,124,773 in fraudulent claims and 99.99% was recovered
2011: $136,713,797 in fraudulent claims and 99.98% was recovered
2012: $128,656,145 in fraudulent claims and 99.99% was recovered.

But "unreported fraud" is probably way up, right Toews? We better build prisons for those people too.

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You're not here to get to solve problems or find answers, you're looking to find ways to take partisan digs.

I don't have to look for them at all. They just keep coming, fast and furious.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Learning about topics just gets in the way of that. It's much easier to take a little snippet of information and just type "Bad Management".

Learning about topics? I asked you how much money this interrogation was expected to "save" in an insurance program that functions as an income tax. I would like to learn that information. And I would like to learn about why working Canadians taxes are going up, but corporate taxes are going down. It's bad management, that's why I type it.

[jj2424]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

This program probably costs $2 for every $1 saved.

Yep CPC bad move.

why, these people are just being asked to do their jobs.....oh the humanity

"Investigators with the Integrity Services Branch were provided with a 23-page manual, dated October 2012, outlining investigative techniques intended to be used in a pilot project starting in November and winding up at the end of March.'


Looks like this is already complete and the only noise we heard about it came from the CBC and Curtman.

Cry me a friggen river, I would like some EI reform as well. I haven't collected EI since Trudeaus NEP in 1983...give me a fuckin rebate

[BeaverFever]

$1:

why, these people are just being asked to do their jobs.....oh the humanity

Parochial and euphamistic comment.

$1:

Looks like this is already complete and the only noise we heard about it came from the CBC and Curtman

Translation: no sense getting outraged over something that they've already gotten away with.

$1:

Cry me a friggen river, I would like some EI reform as well. I haven't collected EI since Trudeaus NEP in 1983...give me a fuckin rebate

New Rule: All laws and policies will now be weighed on the personal experience of CKA user jj2424. I beleive this already burried somewehre in Harper's massive Omnibus bill

[jj2424]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

why, these people are just being asked to do their jobs.....oh the humanity

Parochial and euphamistic comment.

$1:

Looks like this is already complete and the only noise we heard about it came from the CBC and Curtman

Translation: no sense getting outraged over something that they've already gotten away with.

$1:

Cry me a friggen river, I would like some EI reform as well. I haven't collected EI since Trudeaus NEP in 1983...give me a fuckin rebate

New Rule: All laws and policies will now be weighed on the personal experience of CKA user jj2424. I beleive this already burried somewehre in Harper's massive Omnibus bill

yap yap yap lefty yap yap

[raydan]

Hey jj2424... why all the righty yapping?

[BeaverFever]

$1:

yap yap yap lefty yap yap

Brilliant response. A bright career in the CPC's PR team is just waiting for you.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

Learning about topics? I asked you how much money this interrogation was expected to "save" in an insurance program that functions as an income tax. I would like to learn that information. And I would like to learn about why working Canadians taxes are going up, but corporate taxes are going down. It's bad management, that's why I type it.

For future reference, perhaps you should learn the information before you play the outrage card and have to ask other people to explain why you're outraged.

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

Learning about topics? I asked you how much money this interrogation was expected to "save" in an insurance program that functions as an income tax. I would like to learn that information. And I would like to learn about why working Canadians taxes are going up, but corporate taxes are going down. It's bad management, that's why I type it.

For future reference, perhaps you should learn the information before you play the outrage card and have to ask other people to explain why you're outraged.

Did I miss the part where OTI demonstrated his knowledge of this information?

[BeaverFever]

FTR:

OTTAWA—Service Canada investigators have been given annual “performance objectives” to find $485,000 each in fraudulent or ineligible Employment Insurance claims per year, the Conservative government confirmed Monday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013 ... _says.html

[Curtman]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

Learning about topics? I asked you how much money this interrogation was expected to "save" in an insurance program that functions as an income tax. I would like to learn that information. And I would like to learn about why working Canadians taxes are going up, but corporate taxes are going down. It's bad management, that's why I type it.

For future reference, perhaps you should learn the information before you play the outrage card and have to ask other people to explain why you're outraged.

Did I miss the part where OTI demonstrated his knowledge of this information?

Don't blame him, he's only a puppet. He's not authorized to answer questions.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Did I miss the part where OTI demonstrated his knowledge of this information?

Good for you, you know how to use Google.

Now teach Curtman that before he get's outraged over a topic for purely partisan reasons, he should do a little read before he has to resort to asking people to clarify things post-tantrum.