[Zipperfish]

It's very difficult to control the message if you have government scientists going around publishing their data. I'm not sure that this is a left/right thing. It's just that the Harper government has control issues.

[Thanos]

All governments do it. The House GOP in the US blocked the CDC from studying firearms violence as a health issue.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

All governments do it. The House GOP in the US blocked the CDC from studying firearms violence as a health issue.

...and the ATF from tracing crime guns back to the stores that sold them, or enforcing practically any federal gun law for that matter.

[N_Fiddledog]

Not to mention Obama's executive order preventing America from learning the full truth about Fast and Furious.

[Zipperfish]

Kind of wandered off topic here, from muzzling scientists to just generally the gummint keeping secrets.

The pubic is not entitled to all sate information--for instance the names of its spies in Syria. The problme arises when the government considers all public information proprietary and then uses that infromation as basically a means to spin a message to people, who don't have the complete information to come to a rational decision.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Kind of wandered off topic here, from muzzling scientists to just generally the gummint keeping secrets.

The pubic is not entitled to all sate information--for instance the names of its spies in Syria. The problme arises when the government considers all public information proprietary and then uses that information as basically a means to spin a message to people, who don't have the complete information to come to a rational decision.

Well yeah, but sometimes it's so juicy you've gotta follow where they lead,Thanos and Beaver Feaver wanna talk lack of transparency and gun control...c'mon...you've gotta bring up Obama blocking the information door on Fast and Furious.

But OK, fair point. Back to censoring the science. The EPA in America puts out, or supposedly makes decisions based on scientific reports. There's all kinds of claims this science is censored, or manipulated then the manipulation censored. For some time now there are those who have been trying to get at the truth of what been happening there.

Did you know radio talk show host Mark Levin was a lawyer? There's a video at the link below explaining the problems he and his legal organization have been having getting the EPA to unlock the door. Right now Levin's Landmark Legal association is suing the EPA to honor FOI requests.

http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin ... d-windsor/

[N_Fiddledog]

Shall I Google "Steve McIntyre Blocked FOIA requests" Zip?

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Not to mention Obama's executive order preventing America from learning the full truth about Fast and Furious.

That film sucked! Vin Diesel sucks. . What else is there to know?

[PluggyRug]

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Not to mention Obama's executive order preventing America from learning the full truth about Fast and Furious.

That film sucked! Vin Diesel sucks. . What else is there to know?

Yup..actors playing hams..or was it hams playing actors? Although that Bio-Diesel guy was ok in Pitch Black.

[N_Fiddledog]

Gosh, I hope you guys are joking. I'd hate to think you didn't actually know what the Operation Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal was about.

[PluggyRug]

Well Hollywood should make a movie on how to lose weapons, starring Vin Diesel. Of course using a Mexican director.

[N_Fiddledog]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Well Hollywood should make a movie on how to lose weapons, starring Vin Diesel. Of course using a Mexican director.

Co-starring the corpses of hundreds of dead Mexicans and Brian Terry as themselves.

[Zipperfish]

But OK, fair point. Back to censoring the science. The EPA in America puts out, or supposedly makes decisions based on scientific reports. There's all kinds of claims this science is censored, or manipulated then the manipulation censored. For some time now there are those who have been trying to get at the truth of what been happening there.

Did you know radio talk show host Mark Levin was a lawyer? There's a video at the link below explaining the problems he and his legal organization have been having getting the EPA to unlock the door. Right now Levin's Landmark Legal association is suing the EPA to honor FOI requests.

http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin ... d-windsor/[/quote]

The EPA certainly gets carried away acting like an activist organization on occasion. The FDA does too actually, wihtt heir endless inquries into sacharrine. If it was serisouly hurting people, I think we would have figured it out by now.

II just had to do a quick read-up on who Lisa Jackson is, and what the heck Fast and Furious is. If Ms. Jackson was using a false email account for government business, then by al means that info should be turned over. Not sure of the legality of it, but from an ethical standpoint, that's not very good, so it's a good thing she resigned.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Gosh, I hope you guys are joking. I'd hate to think you didn't actually know what the Operation Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal was about.

GOSH, yes, Gosh!

[Xort]

Thanos Thanos:

All governments do it. The House GOP in the US blocked the CDC from studying firearms violence as a health issue.

A gun shot isn't a disease. Why would a disease control government body look at it?

Sounds more like a job for the law enforcement arm of the government, like the FBI.

Oh wait the FBI already does reports on criminal shootings.