[martin14]

Wolf1412 Wolf1412:

Don't post much but as I due have first hand knowledge on this one and a solid opinion from experience I will share the following.

Was a section commander in the POMLT (Training AUP). Spent 7 months in Zhari with a young female Cpl in the section. Lived in a small 32m Sq Police Sub Station with our section and 14 AUP. Throughout the tour She performed consistenlty better then the average section member. Conducting 4 to 5 foot patrols per week throughout the Pashmul Area carrying a full combat load and sometimes a radio she never broke or complained. She was a huge advantage when dealing with Muslim Women as she could easily interact and conduct searches and garnered a wealth of info.

When two of our members were injured in an IED/Ambush she readily assumed the 2I/C position and performed very well with full support of the male members. Her assistance was requested by the US PMT in the area and she spent 4 days patroling with the Americans who raved about her performance. I must admit I put a stopper on that when I realised the Americans wouldn't allow there own females to do the same.

I think the biggest kick was the her fiance who was with the Battle Group QRF and he as frustrated that she saw more action then him. I the end she did all this with a constant smile and pocket full of sweets for the kids.

A soldier is neither a male or a female but an individual capable of performing in a hostile environment.

BZ to every female Infanteer, Medic and MP that slugged it out beside us neanderthals and the best of luck to the ladies south of the border who decide to close with and destroy the enemy

+5

[BartSimpson]

I'm okay with with this under the caveat that physical and performance standards for certain groups not be altered or 'reconsidered' just to allow women to make the cut.

I'm also looking forward to some woman bitching about SERE because that's 100% inevitable.

[2Cdo]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm okay with with this under the caveat that physical and performance standards for certain groups not be altered or 'reconsidered' just to allow women to make the cut.

I'm also looking forward to some woman bitching about SERE because that's 100% inevitable.

There are different PT standards for women in the Canadian Forces in general but they still have to meet whatever the standard is for the trade they join.

Not that the standard is that tough to begin with, to fail it one must be on deaths doorstep with a couple of amputated limbs.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I think it's a great idea. Even better, form exclusively women's units. Not because I think they should be segregated but to give them time for their cycles to sync up.

Then, for a few days a month you'd have PMS-ing shock troops that would scare the piss out of even the most hardened combat veterans

Why would any woman have a cycle? IUD's or a shot every 3 months will take care of that. And no, those methods do not take away from fertility any more than the pill does.

If women want to be on the front lines, all the best to them! I don't, won't and can't, but that does not mean that women shouldn't. I have read the most ridiculous arguments against it tho. "Women need to shower" (really, men don't?), "Men can't behave themselves" (wow, now that is an insult to professional men), "Women can't do 'combat', what when they are on their period and need to clean themselves?" (again, an IUD, a shot, or you know, tampons?)

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

If women want to be on the front lines, all the best to them! I don't, won't and can't, but that does not mean that women shouldn't.

Sounds like my wife.

She honestly can't understand why any woman would want to do my old job, she bases her thoughts on what my kit smelled like after a couple of weeks in the field without access to laundry or shower facilities.

[Brenda]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Brenda Brenda:

If women want to be on the front lines, all the best to them! I don't, won't and can't, but that does not mean that women shouldn't.

Sounds like my wife.

She honestly can't understand why any woman would want to do my old job, she bases her thoughts on what my kit smelled like after a couple of weeks in the field without access to laundry or shower facilities.

Yeah, that's not my thing either I can't understand why any one (male or female) would do that to themselves and like it

[bootlegga]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

There are different PT standards for women in the Canadian Forces in general but they still have to meet whatever the standard is for the trade they join.

Not that the standard is that tough to begin with, to fail it one must be on deaths doorstep with a couple of amputated limbs.

When I went through basic training in the Militia in '88, there were about a dozen women in my training company.

They had slightly lower physical expectations (IIRC one pull up versus six for us guys and so on), but I don't remember them bitching about carrying a rifle and a 50 lb pack on hikes or exercises any more than us guys did.

And none of them were the typical 'butch' women you stereotypically see in movies and news articles - they were all young, healthy (and in several cases very beautiful) women who just wanted to be a part of the military.

I say go for it and as long as the candidates are capable of performing all the duties inherent in the job, who cares what sex they are?

[commanderkai]

Next step is having women needing to be in the Selective Service in the United States.

[BartSimpson]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Next step is having women needing to be in the Selective Service in the United States.

Concur. In for a penny, in for a pound.

[commanderkai]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Next step is having women needing to be in the Selective Service in the United States.

Concur. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Hell, I had to register for the Selective Service, even though I was Canadian, because I turned 18 in the United States and was residing there at the time. Admittedly, I know that the Selective Service probably would never be used again considering that if it needs to come into effect, World War III probably started and a majority of the United States (and Canada, for that matter) would be ash.

[Mowich]

Wolf1412 Wolf1412:

Don't post much but as I due have first hand knowledge on this one and a solid opinion from experience I will share the following.

Was a section commander in the POMLT (Training AUP). Spent 7 months in Zhari with a young female Cpl in the section. Lived in a small 32m Sq Police Sub Station with our section and 14 AUP. Throughout the tour She performed consistenlty better then the average section member. Conducting 4 to 5 foot patrols per week throughout the Pashmul Area carrying a full combat load and sometimes a radio she never broke or complained. She was a huge advantage when dealing with Muslim Women as she could easily interact and conduct searches and garnered a wealth of info.

When two of our members were injured in an IED/Ambush she readily assumed the 2I/C position and performed very well with full support of the male members. Her assistance was requested by the US PMT in the area and she spent 4 days patroling with the Americans who raved about her performance. I must admit I put a stopper on that when I realised the Americans wouldn't allow there own females to do the same.

I think the biggest kick was the her fiance who was with the Battle Group QRF and he as frustrated that she saw more action then him. I the end she did all this with a constant smile and pocket full of sweets for the kids.

A soldier is neither a male or a female but an individual capable of performing in a hostile environment.

BZ to every female Infanteer, Medic and MP that slugged it out beside us neanderthals and the best of luck to the ladies south of the border who decide to close with and destroy the enemy

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

And none of them were the typical 'butch' women you stereotypically see in movies and news articles - they were all young, healthy (and in several cases very beautiful) women who just wanted to be a part of the military.

On average I find that females in reserve combat arms units tend to be better looking than their regular force counterparts. I think alot of it has to do with the ease of leaving the reserves if they don't end up liking the job. Also the reserves back then tended to be more social club than actual fighting units. Thankfully that has changed for the better with most reserve units today.

$1:

I say go for it and as long as the candidates are capable of performing all the duties inherent in the job, who cares what sex they are?

Agree 100%.