[Curtman]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

You make it unprofitable for them to do that. Look at In-Site, and the success they've had. Heroin is effectively legal, but people still have to acquire it illegally. Isn't that nuts?

Do you want the government to produce it too?

No, that would be licensed and taxed and inspected. Regulation is a much better word than legalization.

[saturn_656]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

How are we supposed to prosecute those who profit off the misery of others (producers, dealers, etc) if you legalize it?

We legalized journalism, didn't we?

And lawyers...

[saturn_656]

Curtman Curtman:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

You make it unprofitable for them to do that. Look at In-Site, and the success they've had. Heroin is effectively legal, but people still have to acquire it illegally. Isn't that nuts?

Do you want the government to produce it too?

No, that would be licensed and taxed and inspected. Regulation is a much better word than legalization.

Arrange some sort of import agreement with the Colombian drug lords?

[Curtman]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Curtman Curtman:

No, that would be licensed and taxed and inspected. Regulation is a much better word than legalization.

Arrange some sort of import agreement with the Colombian drug lords?

You don't think if there was a license available to produce it here, that someone would do it?

[saturn_656]

Curtman Curtman:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Curtman Curtman:

No, that would be licensed and taxed and inspected. Regulation is a much better word than legalization.

Arrange some sort of import agreement with the Colombian drug lords?

You don't think if there was a license available to produce it here, that someone would do it?

I don't like where this is going...

[Curtman]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I don't like where this is going...

It doesn't matter what we do here anyway as far as cocaine goes. Central and South America are going to end their drug wars sooner or later. Hopefully before the cartels overpower the governments. The war on drugs feeds them.

[martin14]

Curtman Curtman:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

At least if he spends his time in an American prison, we aren't footing the bill.

Yeah, except we get him back after he does hard time in a US con-college.

For 120kgs of coke, I doubt that will make much difference.

Not rehabilitation material.

[martin14]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Curtman Curtman:

You don't think if there was a license available to produce it here, that someone would do it?

I don't like where this is going...

Don't worry, it's Curt, so it's only going...


down the toilet.

[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Curtman Curtman:

You don't think if there was a license available to produce it here, that someone would do it?

I don't like where this is going...

Don't worry, it's Curt, so it's only going...


down the toilet.

You think so? The world is waking up to the damage done by the war on drugs, and how its worse than the drugs themselves.

Inslee, Ferguson tell feds: We’ll keep legal pot inside state

$1:

Gov. Jay Inslee had a “very satisfying” meeting over Washington’s voter-passed marijuana legalization initiative Tuesday with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder n the “other” Washington, with hints of how the federal government might live with Initiative 502.

“Look, we want to avoid a legal fight here,” state Attorney General Bob Ferguson told Holder, while emphasizing that Washington “will be prepared” to defend the law if the feds go after it.

“The legal issues are complex, uh, they’re very complex,” Ferguson told reporters in a conference call.

The key policy issue, Inslee indicated, is “leakage of marijuana outside the state of Washington.”

Inslee promised the Justice Department and Holder, in his words, that Washington will further clarify “how we prevent distribution of marijuana outside the state of Washington,” and how the state will “try to make it as much as possible that marijuana under this initiative will be used only in the state of Washington.”

Initiative 502, passed by a 56-44 percent margin in November, would legalize and tax the growth and sale of marijuana to adults over 21 in the Evergreen State. Colorado passed a similar initiative. Efforts are underway to put legalization back on the ballot in California.

Marijuana possession remains illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act. The federal government’s strongest legal weapon is the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, which it can deploy if marijuana legally grown in Washington is transported outside the state.

The state is on much stronger ground if it — literally — applies the old slogan “Keep Washington Green” and regulates the trade so that legally grown marijuana gets smoked, baked in brownies and otherwise ingested within the state’s boundaries.

Under the doctrine of pre-emption, federal law usually supersedes state law when the two are in conflict. Still, the U.S. Supreme Court has taken a careful look at cases where Congress has interfered with historic powers exercised by the states.

Hence, it may be in the interests of both Washington, D.C., and Olympia to give the new Washington state law a chance.

“We will continue to invite them to the table,” said Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes, a prominent sponsor of Initiative 502.

Ferguson, in a statement late Tuesday, added: “We have assembled a legal team in the Attorney General’s office and I have made legal implementation of this initiative a top priority.” He said the state will “continue our dialogue with Attorney General Holder in the coming months.”

Gov. Inslee said during the fall campaign that he would vote against I-502, but implement the law if it passed. (Republican gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna was a strong opponent of legalization.) Inslee kept to this position on Tuesday.

“I do believe it is my duty to follow the intentions of the voters of Washington . . . ” the governor said. “I went into this (Holder meeting) believing our state should go ahead with implementation. Nothing that I heard dissuaded me from that view.”

Inslee took pains to avoid speculation about the federal government’s conditions.

The state will have its “rule” for implementation of the marijuana initiative “done by early summer” and plans to offer licenses to grow and sell cannabis “hopefully in early August.”

Inslee promised “an extremely disciplined, extremely organized” approach toward legalization of a drug often associated with letting discipline go.

A source familiar with the Inslee-Holder-Ferguson meeting said late Tuesday: “It was a great meeting.”

President Obama has said that marijuana possession is not the feds’ highest priority — “We have bigger fish to fry” — and U.S. Attorney Jenny Durkan has emphasized that federal law enforcement resources are concentrated on cartels and interdiction of cross-border and interstate transport of marijuana.

Your old, tired, dangerous ideas will be recognized as such in the history books.

[Curtman]

Marc Emery Begins His Campaign to Come Home

$1:

If I don't get accepted for a transfer by either the US or Canadian governments, I will be released on July 9th, 2014 here in the United States, spending 15-20 days at a US Immigration & Customs Enforcement facility (likely in Oakdale, Louisiana), and then flown to either Vancouver or Toronto. I'd like to think that, at the latest, I'd be home with Jodie for our 8th wedding anniversary on July 23rd, 2014.
However, if I get approved for transfer under the Canada-US treaty (International Transfer of Offenders Act), I could be en route to a Canadian federal prison in the summer of this year. If I arrive at a Canadian prison on September 1st this year, under new rules enacted by the Conservative government, I’ll be held for a while before being released on December 10th, 2013 – just in time for Christmas.

We're getting a powerful advocate back soon too.

[Zipperfish]

Legalizing cocaine is stupid. It's highly addictive and, especially in the form of crack, highly and quickly destructive to the those who use it. Simply supplying a crack user with as much crack as a crack user wants will kill them. You just want more and more. Same with meth.

[Curtman]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Legalizing cocaine is stupid. It's highly addictive and, especially in the form of crack, highly and quickly destructive to the those who use it. Simply supplying a crack user with as much crack as a crack user wants will kill them. You just want more and more. Same with meth.

Of course it is addictive and dangerous. Nobody is directing users at treatment under prohibition. Their supplier only wants them to buy more too.

Do you think anybody chooses not to use cocaine because they are afraid of law enforcement? I chose to never touch the stuff because I saw what it does to people. In school they were too busy telling us about the horrors of marijuana to talk about cocaine psychosis.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Simply supplying a crack user with as much crack as a crack user wants will kill them.

That would be the best argument for legalizing it.

[Zipperfish]

Curtman Curtman:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Legalizing cocaine is stupid. It's highly addictive and, especially in the form of crack, highly and quickly destructive to the those who use it. Simply supplying a crack user with as much crack as a crack user wants will kill them. You just want more and more. Same with meth.

Of course it is addictive and dangerous. Nobody is directing users at treatment under prohibition. Their supplier only wants them to buy more too.

Do you think anybody chooses not to use cocaine because they are afraid of law enforcement? I chose to never touch the stuff because I saw what it does to people. In school they were too busy telling us about the horrors of marijuana to talk about cocaine psychosis.

So treat addicts, definitely, but I hardly see the inevitable logical route you are taking from that to legalization.

[Curtman]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Curtman Curtman:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Legalizing cocaine is stupid. It's highly addictive and, especially in the form of crack, highly and quickly destructive to the those who use it. Simply supplying a crack user with as much crack as a crack user wants will kill them. You just want more and more. Same with meth.

Of course it is addictive and dangerous. Nobody is directing users at treatment under prohibition. Their supplier only wants them to buy more too.

Do you think anybody chooses not to use cocaine because they are afraid of law enforcement? I chose to never touch the stuff because I saw what it does to people. In school they were too busy telling us about the horrors of marijuana to talk about cocaine psychosis.

So treat addicts, definitely, but I hardly see the inevitably logical route you are taking from there to legalization.

The route is, I recognize how and where people get cocaine their first time, and the second time, and why they keep coming back.

Regulation and education has been very successful at driving tobacco use down. Prohibition has driven cocaine use up, marijuana use up, etc.

Regulation of alcohol has been a failure, because it's marketed and glamourized by the industry. It's a legalization as opposed to a regulation. It's much more similar to the black market for drugs. The dealers push it like the alcohol industry does.