[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I always thought that was a stupid rule, thought it only applied to US,not Canada. At least one parent should have at least have permanent residence > 2 years before childbirth.

I would be even slacker than you. As long as a parent has pr status in Canada it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I always thought that was a stupid rule, thought it only applied to US,not Canada. At least one parent should have at least have permanent residence > 2 years before childbirth.

I would be even slacker than you. As long as a parent has pr status in Canada it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

A child that moves to Canada with their parents, and is thus a PR, cannot become a citizen unless one of the parents becomes/is a citizen. (until it reaches the age of 18, then it can apply for citizenship by itself)
Why would a child born from PR's or non-PR's even have citizenship rights?

[andyt]

If the child is born here by permanent resident parents I have no problem accepting them as a citizen same as one born to citizen parents. Otherwise it could be stateless - who's to say the state of the parents will accept the child as a citzen, so this child might be in limbo until they attain adulthood. No good.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

If the child is born here by permanent resident parents I have no problem accepting them as a citizen same as one born to citizen parents. Otherwise it could be stateless - who's to say the state of the parents will accept the child as a citzen, so this child might be in limbo until they attain adulthood. No good.

I don't think that there is any country that would deny their citizens' offspring citizenship. Regardless of where they reside.
Why not give children born by PR parents PR status? They will have the same rights and obligations as citizens do. They just can't vote (which they can't anyway) or hold a government job. Which they can't anyway.

[andyt]

I'm against the scale of immigration we have now. But once people are here, I want them accepted and integrated. While I would extend the residency period before the adults can become citizens, there is something about being born in a country that to me says the person should have certain rights. I don't want birth tourism, but I am willing to accord citizenship to legal permanent residents born here.

[Brenda]

I would like children of PR's be able to become citizens without their parents having to become one...
Some countries don't allow for dual citizenship when you voluntarily left. In my and my children's case, this means that I will have to give up my Dutch nationality for them to be able to become dual. Or they have to give it up to become a citizen at 18. Or stay PR for the rest of their lives if they don't want to give up their Dutch nationality. The only way to become dual for them, is to marry a Canadian citizen. And take a citizenship test. And pay.

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

If the child is born here by permanent resident parents I have no problem accepting them as a citizen same as one born to citizen parents. Otherwise it could be stateless - who's to say the state of the parents will accept the child as a citzen, so this child might be in limbo until they attain adulthood. No good.

I don't think that there is any country that would deny their citizens' offspring citizenship. Regardless of where they reside.
Why not give children born by PR parents PR status? They will have the same rights and obligations as citizens do. They just can't vote (which they can't anyway) or hold a government job. Which they can't anyway.

There are a few countries like that. I thought about the 'stateless' thing and figured you could have an exemption for that. I thought about the PR thing but the problem there is that there are people who fail/choose not to meet the 2yr in 5 residency requirement. What happens if mommy and daddy don't meet it or lose status for a crime? Baby is not deportable but parents are. I suppose you could say that baby is PR until age 18.

Plus because someone has PR status doesn't mean they are going to stay here forever. Plenty immigrate here for a year or two or five then decide to go home, never to return. Do you really want some middle-aged foreigner overseas demanding immediate Canadian citizenship because he was delivered in Canadian hospital 40 years ago but hasn't been here since he was 6 months old?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

I'm against the scale of immigration we have now. But once people are here, I want them accepted and integrated. While I would extend the residency period before the adults can become citizens, there is something about being born in a country that to me says the person should have certain rights. I don't want birth tourism, but I am willing to accord citizenship to legal permanent residents born here.

Wouldn't you set a time to it then? I dunno, the children will have to physically be here for 3 out of 10 years, or something? (just yelling something, don't attack me on numbers )

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

If the child is born here by permanent resident parents I have no problem accepting them as a citizen same as one born to citizen parents. Otherwise it could be stateless - who's to say the state of the parents will accept the child as a citzen, so this child might be in limbo until they attain adulthood. No good.

I don't think that there is any country that would deny their citizens' offspring citizenship. Regardless of where they reside.
Why not give children born by PR parents PR status? They will have the same rights and obligations as citizens do. They just can't vote (which they can't anyway) or hold a government job. Which they can't anyway.

There are a few countries like that. I thought about the 'stateless' thing and figured you could have an exemption for that. I thought about the PR thing but the problem there is that there are people who fail/choose not to meet the 2yr in 5 residency requirement. What happens if mommy and daddy don't meet it or lose status for a crime? Baby is not deportable but parents are. I suppose you could say that baby is PR until age 18.

Plus because someone has PR status doesn't mean they are going to stay here forever. Plenty immigrate here for a year or two or five then decide to go home, never to return. Do you really want some middle-aged foreigner overseas demanding immediate Canadian citizenship because he was delivered in Canadian hospital 40 years ago but hasn't been here since he was 6 months old?

It's actually 3 years (residency requirements), or more, 1095 days out of 5 consecutive years. And I agree with the rest of your post.

[BeaverFever]

Brenda Brenda:

I would like children of PR's be able to become citizens without their parents having to become one...
Some countries don't allow for dual citizenship when you voluntarily left. In my and my children's case, this means that I will have to give up my Dutch nationality for them to be able to become dual. Or they have to give it up to become a citizen at 18. Or stay PR for the rest of their lives if they don't want to give up their Dutch nationality. The only way to become dual for them, is to marry a Canadian citizen. And take a citizenship test. And pay.

Well they probably will marry CDN citizens just because that's what we have most in stock. There are much larger obstacles in this world than having to write a basic test and pay a small fee.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Brenda Brenda:

I would like children of PR's be able to become citizens without their parents having to become one...
Some countries don't allow for dual citizenship when you voluntarily left. In my and my children's case, this means that I will have to give up my Dutch nationality for them to be able to become dual. Or they have to give it up to become a citizen at 18. Or stay PR for the rest of their lives if they don't want to give up their Dutch nationality. The only way to become dual for them, is to marry a Canadian citizen. And take a citizenship test. And pay.

Well they probably will marry CDN citizens just because that's what we have most in stock. There are much larger obstacles in this world than having to write a basic test and pay a small fee.

Have you ever thought of the fact that they won't marry at all?

[BeaverFever]

andyt andyt:

I'm against the scale of immigration we have now. But once people are here, I want them accepted and integrated. While I would extend the residency period before the adults can become citizens, there is something about being born in a country that to me says the person should have certain rights. I don't want birth tourism, but I am willing to accord citizenship to legal permanent residents born here.

I want them accepted and integrated too, which is why I wouldn't extend residency requirements adult citizenship. It'll just lead to a larger non-citizen immigrant underclass. As for being born on another country's soil, I don't think that means much. It doesn't mean anything to the new born baby, who has no relationship or understanding of the country he's in and did not even make a decision to be there. You might as well say that he's entitled to be part owner of the hospital he's born in too. Citizenship should only be a birthright of those who inherit it from citizen parents. The rest should have to earn it in some fashion, if only by being here for some period of time.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Have you ever thought of the fact that they won't marry at all?

Tell you what, for $1000 each, when they're 25 I'll marry them for you. One at a time...unless the polygamy laws have changed in which case you'll get the package discount.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well they probably will marry CDN citizens just because that's what we have most in stock. There are much larger obstacles in this world than having to write a basic test and pay a small fee.

Also, that depends on where you are. BC and Yukon: Vancouver. That's is not "a small fee" anymore. AND you will have to go there twice.

Lot's of people don't. Too much effort and too expensive.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

Have you ever thought of the fact that they won't marry at all?

Tell you what, for $1000 each, when they're 25 I'll marry them for you. One at a time...unless the polygamy laws have changed in which case you'll get the package discount.

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