[commanderkai]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So we need fewer cops because reported crime is down but more prisons because unreported crime is up? Did I get that right, Conservatives? Dumb on crime is right.

Actually I read that police need to shift resources to training officers on cybercrime, not that we need less police officers. Be more efficient and achieve more results with the funding already provided.

[CanadianJeff]

So the Harper government pushes for more perps in jail and less rehab and support programs and then acts amazed when it realizes it will need more police on the street to deal with the wave of repeat offenders.

I think someone may be missing some common fucking sense.

[EyeBrock]

We have a legal system, not a justice system. There are plenty of millionaire lawyers, judges and cabinet ministers. Not too many wealthy cops though.

[CanadianJeff]

It still amazes me that I have to constantly remind many people I know that police are not there to provide justice but to maintain the current status quo or order.

When was the last time you saw the cops overthrow any person of power? It's not their job.

It's part of the reason that activism is the real starter to any actual justice.

[EyeBrock]

Agreed Jeff.

I think you also have to look at the costs of other emergency services. In my local city we have 12 cops on duty at any one time. At the same time we have 8 fire stations with 5 guys minimum sleeping. All paid the same as cops.

[Vamp018]

andyt andyt:

Saw a thing on DaVinci's Inquest where the plan was to cross train firefighters and cops, instantly adding more 'cops' to the mix. Even tho DaVinci is mostly based on real events in Vancouver, I've never heard of this proposal before. Maybe there's something there tho.

Try looking into the US mid- Range sized Cities. The concept is in use and has been for a while. Your going to have to tweak it for Canada. In Canada you can yell for the Army, not in the US as the Armed Forces are forbidden from Civil LE, unless you call in the USCG and NICC.

[uwish]

What does it matter, half the time police don't enforce the law anyway. Especially when it involves Indians.

http://www.freedomparty.ca/misc/cnr-v-j ... -et-al.htm

[EyeBrock]

uwish uwish:

What does it matter, half the time police don't enforce the law anyway. Especially when it involves Indians.

http://www.freedomparty.ca/misc/cnr-v-j ... -et-al.htm

I would say that Natives get away with a lot but most cops don't have to deal with them that much. Sucks to be those guys who do. Not popular postings. Try police a community that hates authority and the government and focusses that hate on the few cops that are there stopping them from killing each other. But cops can do right in some eyes, like yours Uwish.

[uwish]

hum sounds allot like your putting words in my mouth I don't believe I have said anything of the kind. If so, please provide a link.

That being said, sure there are postings that are much more desirable than others. After 10 years in the military, I sure understand that. However, at no time did I even think about NOT performing my duties because of it or what it may involve.

You make is sound like a police constable will only enforce the law if he or she obtains a decent posting with a population that 'wants' to be policed. Well I'm sorry, they don't get to make that decision, wanting to be a cop and taking the oath is voluntary, they did it knowing there may be baggage that comes with the job. I just don't buy that as an excuse.

[bootlegga]

peck420 peck420:

bootlegga bootlegga:

It is for the foreseeable future, a non-starter.

City council is submitting another bid for Leduc County area later this year.

Is that outside foreseeable future?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of it, but the crackpots down town have it stuck in their heads that Edmonton requires enough space for 30 years worth of growth at all times.

We are currently between 9 and 17 years, depending on which analysts you believe.

Yes, city council may submit another bid this year - that doesn't mean it'll be automatically approved, especially given the issue it caused over the past couple years (which helped Wildrose win seats).

That's why I highly doubt this application will be rubber-stamped and passed. It will be dragged out and take years to resolve - especially because residents of the surrounding municipalities I mentioned aren't interested in being amalgamated into Edmonton proper.

If we're lucky/unlucky, we might see something by the end of the decade at the soonest - and that's assuming that the PCs remain in power. The Wildrose has said that annexation would be subject to referendum, and given the mode of suburban residents, then it won't ever happen.

Either way, the heart of the matter is that most Canadians (and by extension Edmontonians) want to live in a house, not a condo or apartment. That's what is driving the expansionist views in City Hall.

Give the people what they want or they'll run you out of town, as ole' Grandpa Simpson once said!

[EyeBrock]

uwish uwish:

hum sounds allot like your putting words in my mouth I don't believe I have said anything of the kind. If so, please provide a link.

That being said, sure there are postings that are much more desirable than others. After 10 years in the military, I sure understand that. However, at no time did I even think about NOT performing my duties because of it or what it may involve.

You make is sound like a police constable will only enforce the law if he or she obtains a decent posting with a population that 'wants' to be policed. Well I'm sorry, they don't get to make that decision, wanting to be a cop and taking the oath is voluntary, they did it knowing there may be baggage that comes with the job. I just don't buy that as an excuse.

You know this because you were one? I've seen you post on police issues before. None of them were positive posts. Flying a Herc doesn't make you an expert on the operational requirements of policing.

[bootlegga]

peck420 peck420:

Where have you been shopping?!

Edmonton's NSP's are pretty standard.

Average lot size in Edmonton is 592 sq m (6,372 sq ft), per the City...well, technically, per Edmonton Drainage Services.

Here, I will us Silver Berry as an example (pretty standard spec NSP that was recently completed).

Development size: 506.5 acres
Number of houses: 676 <- usually around 80% 1/8, 20% 1/4 acre lots
Number of row houses: 44 <-these are the 20m fronts, btw.
Number of duplex/tri/quad: 121 <-these can be subbed for apartments

Average taxes collected per housing unit that is dedicated to EPS: $298

Now, how much money does the EPS get to cover this 500 acre, 2,586 person area? Approximately $250,618....almost enough for one police officer and car...if you neglect training and accessories.

Well, this iteration of city council has been pretty determined to 'densify' this city - projects like Century Park, the City Centre Airport Re-Development, etc are proof of that.

So, for people who want a denser city, there is light at the end of the tunnel, assuming future councils don't undo all of this council's work.

[uwish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

uwish uwish:

hum sounds allot like your putting words in my mouth I don't believe I have said anything of the kind. If so, please provide a link.

That being said, sure there are postings that are much more desirable than others. After 10 years in the military, I sure understand that. However, at no time did I even think about NOT performing my duties because of it or what it may involve.

You make is sound like a police constable will only enforce the law if he or she obtains a decent posting with a population that 'wants' to be policed. Well I'm sorry, they don't get to make that decision, wanting to be a cop and taking the oath is voluntary, they did it knowing there may be baggage that comes with the job. I just don't buy that as an excuse.

You know this because you were one? I've seen you post on police issues before. None of them were positive posts. Flying a Herc doesn't make you an expert on the operational requirements of policing.

so you are implying that police should or do have a right to not perform their duty then. Well, perhaps that leads to some of the mistrust between police and the public.

I sure wish when I was in the CF I could just not do certain things because...well...they were just too plain hard! Your not setting the bar for the men and women in blue very high.

I should also add, my comments about police on this forum were directed at certain incidents which, if I remember correctly did hold an air of stench with them because not only did they involve police misconduct, but massive coverups as well!

Every org has a few bad apples, I don't paint a negative stroke because of those few, but I sure will when it involve covering up and out right lies and deceit from upper brass! It doesn't take many incidents such as those to call an entire organization's honesty into disrepute.

[EyeBrock]

Comparing the CF to the police is a bad comparison. I've worked 10 years Regs and a lot of time in blue. This isn't a 'bad apple' case, it's a cultural response to b ad political leadership and inaction of police leaders.

And on your 'stench' (more vagaries from you). Police misconduct happens and it's addressed either through the Police Services Act or criminal court. The oversight police have far outweighs any other profession. Show me your ‘massive coverups’.

More unfounded rhetoric Captain.

[Zipperfish]

Yeah being a cop and being a soldier are two different animals. Both have to deal wiht the reality of potentially deadly violence at any time. But cops also have to be social workers, mediators, traffic monitors, first aid attendants, babysitters and a bunch of other things.

I knew a social worker on a remote reserve. She said to me "If I followed the book, there wouldn't be a child on that reserve that wasn't in foster care." Cops, I believ are in teh same situation.