[Thanos]

I talked about this before about how the US military commission trials were a complete joke, and that if the Gitmo inmates had been tried in US federal civilian courts they vast majority of them would have been found guilty and sentenced to life without parole in the Supermax penientiaries. This would have been equivalent to the death sentence for the lot of them and none of them would have ever seen the light of day again, which is exactly what they all deserved. But the Bush admin, in the endless cycle of "right-wingers are tough, lefties are all wimps, military courts are tough, civilian courts are full of pussies" propaganda that they operated and thrived in, pushed the military system, no matter how inadequate it is in laying judgements on non-military criminals such as international terrorists, and the result today is that dozens (if not hundreds) of terrorists like Khadr inevitably ended up back in their country of origin.

Almost all the fault for this lies in the thinking that animated the Bush White House and the American rightwing. If a properly recognized judicial system, such as the US federal courts that are among the toughest on criminals in the Western world, had handled the trials of the Gitmo inmates then countries like Canada wouldn't have had to deal with the fallout afterwards. Khadr would have been imprisoned for life years ago and we never would have had to get ourselves all into contortions over his fate.

And now he's "home", back in a country that he and his vile family never gave a damn about except for all the free social benefits they can scam from us. And, inevitably, they'll sue the Canadian government and win and the rest of us will have to give them a reward of $10 or 20 million that they'll use to live in luxury or to finance their terrorist friends in other parts of the world.

I can't reiterate enough how much I wish that just one more bullet had been used on this little motherfucker on that Afghan battlefield all those years ago. Just one more bullet followed by him being dumped nameless into another generic mass grave and we never would have had to deal with any of this pure and total shit at all.

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

I can't reiterate enough how much I wish that just one more bullet had been used on this little motherfucker on that Afghan battlefield all those years ago. Just one more bullet followed by him being dumped nameless into another generic mass grave and we never would have had to deal with any of this pure and total shit at all.

He had two in him. It was a U.S. medic that patched him up.

[saturn_656]

NDP, Liberals are happy that Omar Khadr is in Canada.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ndp-libera ... e-1.976710

As part of his "rehabilitation" he can live with the Rae and Mulclair families. They can be responsible for his "adjustment" to Canadian society.

[CanadianJeff]

I hate to say it but this was the right thing to do.

As a Canadian citizen he deserves the same treatment any of us would receive performing this kind of terrorist act at home.

Let him rot in a Canadian jail to show two things:

1. We won't allow Canadian citizens to have their basic war rights violated. Even POWs have some basic rights.

2. We will not put up with terrorism.

Let's hope for a very very stiff sentence without parole.

[Brenda]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

I hate to say it but this was the right thing to do.

As a Canadian citizen he deserves the same treatment any of us would receive performing this kind of terrorist act at home.

Let him rot in a Canadian jail to show two things:

1. We won't allow Canadian citizens to have their basic war rights violated. Even POWs have some basic rights.

2. We will not put up with terrorism.

Let's hope for a very very stiff sentence without parole.

Didn't he blow up soldiers in his motherland? Why would he be here then?
When I blow someone up here, would I serve my sentence here (where I committed the crime in the first place) or in The Netherlands?

[andyt]

He's already been sentenced to 8 years under a plea agreement. He's served two. He's eligible for parole next year and mandatory release in about four years. If he keeps is nose clean in prison, it will be hard to keep him past the mandatory release date, but at the latest he'll be out in 2018 with no further restrictions on him.

[Jonny_C]

If he's treated as enough of a pariah after his release, which he should be, maybe he'll end up in some terrorist hotbed somewhere else in the world and there will be a second chance for him to achieve his martyrdom, preferably by a drone strike occurring before he gets back into the swing of things.

His mother and sister aren't much to crow about as Canadian citizens either.

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

I hate to say it but this was the right thing to do.

As a Canadian citizen he deserves the same treatment any of us would receive performing this kind of terrorist act at home.

Let him rot in a Canadian jail to show two things:

1. We won't allow Canadian citizens to have their basic war rights violated. Even POWs have some basic rights.

2. We will not put up with terrorism.

Let's hope for a very very stiff sentence without parole.

Didn't he blow up soldiers in his motherland? Why would he be here then?
When I blow someone up here, would I serve my sentence here (where I committed the crime in the first place) or in The Netherlands?

Afghanistan isn't his motherland (father was Egyptian, mother is Palestinian), they were only in Afghanistan to kill (or learn how to kill) "infidels".

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

I hate to say it but this was the right thing to do.

As a Canadian citizen he deserves the same treatment any of us would receive performing this kind of terrorist act at home.

Let him rot in a Canadian jail to show two things:

1. We won't allow Canadian citizens to have their basic war rights violated. Even POWs have some basic rights.

2. We will not put up with terrorism.

Let's hope for a very very stiff sentence without parole.

Didn't he blow up soldiers in his motherland? Why would he be here then?
When I blow someone up here, would I serve my sentence here (where I committed the crime in the first place) or in The Netherlands?

Afghanistan isn't his motherland (father was Egyptian, mother is Palestinian), they were only in Afghanistan to kill (or learn how to kill) "infidels".

Oh ok. Still, is it normal to have citizens serve their sentence in the country they were born in, when the crime was committed elsewhere?
Or is that just because this was during war? Let him stay in the US till he served his complete sentence.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Oh ok. Still, is it normal to have citizens serve their sentence in the country they were born in, when the crime was committed elsewhere?
Or is that just because this was during war? Let him stay in the US till he served his complete sentence.

We have a reciprocity agreement with the US where prisoners are often sent back to their home country to serve out their sentences. As Curt often asks, why is Kadhr repatriated but that evil criminal Mark Emery has to serve out his sentence in max security in Georgia?

[andyt]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

If he's treated as enough of a pariah after his release, which he should be, maybe he'll end up in some terrorist hotbed somewhere else in the world and there will be a second chance for him to achieve his martyrdom, preferably by a drone strike occurring before he gets back into the swing of things.

His mother and sister aren't much to crow about as Canadian citizens either.

In the OP, his family is already asking if they can visit him in jail now. There will be a group of people who will treat him as a martyr, including probably some deluded non-Muslims, so he'll have plenty of people to hang around with. He's not stupid enough to go to some hotbed again, I doubt, so we will have the pleasure of his company likely for longer than I will be alive. Probably the best hope is that CSIS catches him plotting something and we can jail him again. But even there, they will likely lose interest after a while, and he'll be smart enough to wait until they do.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Oh ok. Still, is it normal to have citizens serve their sentence in the country they were born in, when the crime was committed elsewhere?
Or is that just because this was during war? Let him stay in the US till he served his complete sentence.

We have a reciprocity agreement with the US where prisoners are often sent back to their home country to serve out their sentences. As Curt often asks, why is Kadhr repatriated but that evil criminal Mark Emery has to serve out his sentence in max security in Georgia?

That's exactly my point.
Doesn't make sense to me. Why would we even WANT Khadr here? Why did we, as a country, take that effort?

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Oh ok. Still, is it normal to have citizens serve their sentence in the country they were born in, when the crime was committed elsewhere?
Or is that just because this was during war? Let him stay in the US till he served his complete sentence.

We have a reciprocity agreement with the US where prisoners are often sent back to their home country to serve out their sentences. As Curt often asks, why is Kadhr repatriated but that evil criminal Mark Emery has to serve out his sentence in max security in Georgia?

That's exactly my point.
Doesn't make sense to me. Why would we even WANT Khadr here? Why did we, as a country, take that effort?

This has more to do with the US not wanting him than anything else. The little shit has citizenship so trying to keep him out of the country was a losing battle for us.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

We have a reciprocity agreement with the US where prisoners are often sent back to their home country to serve out their sentences. As Curt often asks, why is Kadhr repatriated but that evil criminal Mark Emery has to serve out his sentence in max security in Georgia?

That's exactly my point.
Doesn't make sense to me. Why would we even WANT Khadr here? Why did we, as a country, take that effort?

This has more to do with the US not wanting him than anything else. The little shit has citizenship so trying to keep him out of the country was a losing battle for us.

So every Canadian prisoner in the US is actually serving their sentence in Canada?

(If the US didn't want him, then why did they arrest him instead of "accidentally" shoot him? It was war time anyway...)

[Jonny_C]

andyt andyt:

Probably the best hope is that CSIS catches him plotting something and we can jail him again. But even there, they will likely lose interest after a while, and he'll be smart enough to wait until they do.

You could be right, but I rather think that CSIS will always have an active file on him. I sure hope they will!