[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Of course, when a topic becomes too complicated for a deep thinker such as yourself to grasp, one could resort to standing in the middle of the room and shouting the leftie/rightie thing to drown out the adult conversation.

My aren't we mature adults today? I expected more from you, Gunny. And someone who is a 'deep thinker' like you should have grasped that the post I made was in response to OTI, rather than yourself.

As for 'leftie/rightie'....I will call it on Curtman every single time.

-J.

Don't expect much.

Coming from the head of the Grumpy Old Man Club, I wouldn't be too concerned. He's just showing his true colours. Agree with him or say something he doesn't like and the name calling starts.

Now sit back, and watch the name calling begin. The "deep thinker" will show us how it's done!

First rule of the hypocritical Hack Club...

[raydan]

Might as well privatize the whole legal system... courts, judges, prisons and law enforcement.

[Gunnair]

raydan raydan:

Might as well privatize the whole legal system... courts, judges, prisons and law enforcement.

Bet you crime stats go up so a profit can be made.

[CanadianJeff]

If you create a market where people can make millions of dollars locking people up do you really think they won't lobby to reduce rehab programs or create stiffer sentences to make even more money?

If you hand over prisons to the private market it's going to do what it does best. It's going to do everything in it's power to make more money. The only way to do that is to lock more people up.

There's a reason some services should always be government run.

[Gunnair]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

If you create a market where people can make millions of dollars locking people up do you really think they won't lobby to reduce rehab programs or create stiffer sentences to make even more money?

If you hand over prisons to the private market it's going to do what it does best. It's going to do everything in it's power to make more money. The only way to do that is to lock more people up.

There's a reason some services should always be government run.

You are such a leftie...

[BeaverFever]

Gunnair Gunnair:

raydan raydan:

Might as well privatize the whole legal system... courts, judges, prisons and law enforcement.

Bet you crime stats go up so a profit can be made.

Lest we forget Pennsylvania's recent Cash for Kids scandal:

$1:

'Cash for kids' judge took $1m kickback from private jail builder to lock children upBy Daniel Bates
UPDATED: 19:25 GMT, 21 February 2011

A former judge has been convicted of taking a $1million kickback from the builder of a juvenile jail in the notorious ‘cash for kids’ scandal.
Mark Ciavarella sent hundreds of children and teenagers to the private prison for minor crimes after being given the money by the company which ran it.
Some of the children jailed were as young as 10 and at least one killed themselves because the excessive sentences ruined their lives.

...

The ‘cash for kids’ investigation has widely been seen as one of the worst cases of judicial malpractice in U.S. history.

Prosecutors said it involved Ciavarella and a second judge, Michael Conahan, 58, using juvenile delinquents as ‘pawns to enrich’ themselves to the tune of $2.3million.

Ciavarella worked in Luzerne County in Pennsylvania where he was known as ‘Mr Zero Tolerance’ for his tough sentencing.

But the court was told there was another reason for his hardness - he has taken nearly $1million from the owners and builders of a privately-run juvenile detention centre.

The court was told the two judges closed the existing youth jail in 2002 and arranged for the construction of the PA Child Care facility near Wilkes-Barre.
Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, ensured it was busy by sending hundreds of teenagers and children there, even if they had never been in trouble before.

Some were locked up even after probation officers recommended against it - one teenager was jailed for two years for joyriding with his parents’ car.
The extent of the scandal only became clear afterwards when a court in Pennsylvania dismissed 4,000 cases of his judgements.

[Gunnair]

Another radical leftie chiming in...

[CanadianJeff]

It's not about politics it's about common fucking sense.

Do you even know why I wear the conservative badge?

[Gunnair]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

It's not about politics it's about common fucking sense.

Do you even know why I wear the conservative badge?

Not sure who you're addressing here.

[RUEZ]

Gunnair Gunnair:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

If you create a market where people can make millions of dollars locking people up do you really think they won't lobby to reduce rehab programs or create stiffer sentences to make even more money?

If you hand over prisons to the private market it's going to do what it does best. It's going to do everything in it's power to make more money. The only way to do that is to lock more people up.

There's a reason some services should always be government run.

You are such a leftie...

Actually correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the lefty remark was made because the headline insinuates that the government wants to go ahead with private prisons, when in fact they've already been ruled out.

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Gunnair Gunnair:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

If you create a market where people can make millions of dollars locking people up do you really think they won't lobby to reduce rehab programs or create stiffer sentences to make even more money?

If you hand over prisons to the private market it's going to do what it does best. It's going to do everything in it's power to make more money. The only way to do that is to lock more people up.

There's a reason some services should always be government run.

You are such a leftie...

Actually correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the lefty remark was made because the headline insinuates that the government wants to go ahead with private prisons, when in fact they've already been ruled out.

No, the leftie remark was for Canadian Patriot who came in to dumb down thendiscussion to a measure of political hackery if one opposed it.

On the surface of it, I can see an argument to be made for the private sector as they may indeed cut costs and waste. However, they also need to make money, and the commodity in this case is criminals. One needs criminals to make money and one can see that more criminals simply makes more money.

Simplistic yes, but I think truthful as well.

[RUEZ]

Gunnair Gunnair:

No, the leftie remark was for Canadian Patriot who came in to dumb down thendiscussion to a measure of political hackery if one opposed it.

On the surface of it, I can see an argument to be made for the private sector as they may indeed cut costs and waste. However, they also need to make money, and the commodity in this case is criminals. One needs criminals to make money and one can see that more criminals simply makes more money.

Simplistic yes, but I think truthful as well.

The thing is, the courts are responsible for sending people to prisons, not the private company. The courts will never be run for profit and I fail to see how a private company is going to increase convictions.

[Lemmy]

Look south. I'm sure the Americans didn't think that either, and yet...

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Gunnair Gunnair:

No, the leftie remark was for Canadian Patriot who came in to dumb down thendiscussion to a measure of political hackery if one opposed it.

On the surface of it, I can see an argument to be made for the private sector as they may indeed cut costs and waste. However, they also need to make money, and the commodity in this case is criminals. One needs criminals to make money and one can see that more criminals simply makes more money.

Simplistic yes, but I think truthful as well.

The thing is, the courts are responsible for sending people to prisons, not the private company. The courts will never be run for profit and I fail to see how a private company is going to increase convictions.

Lobbyists.

[RUEZ]

Gunnair Gunnair:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Gunnair Gunnair:

No, the leftie remark was for Canadian Patriot who came in to dumb down thendiscussion to a measure of political hackery if one opposed it.

On the surface of it, I can see an argument to be made for the private sector as they may indeed cut costs and waste. However, they also need to make money, and the commodity in this case is criminals. One needs criminals to make money and one can see that more criminals simply makes more money.

Simplistic yes, but I think truthful as well.

The thing is, the courts are responsible for sending people to prisons, not the private company. The courts will never be run for profit and I fail to see how a private company is going to increase convictions.

Lobbyists.

Will do what?