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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:45 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce: bootlegga bootlegga: You're partially right - we need to worry about our finances - but that shouldn't be done on the backs of the middle class alone.
Everyone should 'suffer' if we want to pay down the deficit/debt. I'm all for wage freezes on workers if there are corresponding tax hikes on the wealthy. I think everyone is suffering to a degree. I think there's this myth that it's being done on the backs of the middle class only. The middle class don't all work for unions and many of the middle class in the non-union sector have suffered a lot more than their middle class counterparts who are unionized. We have one group of middle-class people who continue to receive wage increases and maintain their jobs while other non-unionized environments are seeing job cuts and pay freezes. Many Unions, especially the public sector unions are acting like even suggesting changes to wages and benefits are an outrage; an "attack" on the middle class. It's neither...it's just time they caught up with the rest of us. I agree that non-union might be suffering more than union employees, but the rich aren't suffering that much. If they were, luxury goods wouldn't be the one area predicted to keep growing year over year in the current economy. Certainly, CEOs whose pay keeps increasing constantly, aren't suffering nearly to the extent of their workers.
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andyt
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:54 am
bootlegga bootlegga: I agree that non-union might be suffering more than union employees, but the rich aren't suffering that much. If they were, luxury goods wouldn't be the one area predicted to keep growing year over year in the current economy. Certainly, CEOs whose pay keeps increasing constantly, aren't suffering nearly to the extent of their workers.
Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:57 am
bootlegga bootlegga: I agree that non-union might be suffering more than union employees, but the rich aren't suffering that much. If they were, luxury goods wouldn't be the one area predicted to keep growing year over year in the current economy. Certainly, CEOs whose pay keeps increasing constantly, aren't suffering nearly to the extent of their workers.
The rich rarely suffer, a perk of reaching that level. I'm fine with luxury goods growing...it keeps people working and making those things they desire. CEO's and workers aren't on the same level, nor should they be compared. There will always be those who have more responsibility that make more money than other people in all organizations and industries.
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:58 am
andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:59 am
andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? Now, exactly how did you extract that from a discussion of the middle class situation between Boots and OTI? $1: If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one. 
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:00 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce: andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage. I'm giving up replying to him in any financial thread. He's not worth it.
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andyt
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:49 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce: andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage. But they're suffering?
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andyt
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:53 am
2Cdo 2Cdo: OnTheIce OnTheIce: andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage. I'm giving up replying to him in any financial thread. He's not worth it. Really? 2Cdo 2Cdo: andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? Now, exactly how did you extract that from a discussion of the middle class situation between Boots and OTI? $1: If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.  2Cdo 2Cdo: andyt andyt: But i guess that's a typical comfortable middle class thing to do - bitch about people who earn more than you but give the finger to the people who earn less. As opposed to the typical whiny under-achiever who just expects to be GIVEN everything. Stereotypes are fun!  Especially applied to andy and his inability to master the ever troublesome double double!  2Cdo 2Cdo: andyt andyt: bootlegga bootlegga: I'm all for giving a helping hand, but I'm not about to give them everything for doing nothing. People have to put in some effort to get ahead in life, not just expect it handed to them for showing up. Life isn't elementary school where you gets a gold star for attendance - you get out of it exactly what you put in. It may sound corny, but if you put in nothing, then expect nothing, while if you work hard, doors will open for you and you'll get somewhere in life.
OK. So a helping hand for you, because you feel too unequal to people richer than you, but a "just work harder or longer" to anybody that makes less than you. How can you decry inequality in one breath and then tell people who work at lower paying jobs they're just not working hard or long enough? The people who make more than you do will tell you the exact same thing. If you see it that way, at least don't try to have it both ways and moan about income inequality. It seems hypocritical. At least OTI doesn't do that. Wow. And andy misses the point completely,,,,,again.  Hate to see your output when you do reply to people.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:59 am
andyt andyt: Hate to see your output when you do reply to people.
Maybe I should have worded it differently, I refuse to discus anything financial with you but will not hesitate to ridicule your dumb self.  BTW, searching various threads for my mocking you is the most work you've done in years. Maybe the mods should pay you for your extraordinary effort! 
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:12 pm
andyt andyt: OnTheIce OnTheIce: andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one.
Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage. But they're suffering? Answer my question before asking another.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:18 pm
andyt andyt: What about the lower class? Forgetting about them again, or just making the excuse that they're all teens and semi-retired seniors. Nope, everyone should pay something. As I said; $1: Everyone should 'suffer' if we want to pay down the deficit/debt.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:22 pm
andyt andyt: Their workers are suffering, but not their low income workers? If those suffering workers want CEO pay, let em get the training and work more to get it. We should increase our CEO training opportunities so everybody except kids and seniors can become one. You're partially right, even if you are being 100% facetious. There are lots of "CEO training opportunities". It's called business school and if people access things called student loans - they can all get an education. Then if they work hard after graduation, they can get to the executive level. If not, they can be corporate drones their entire life. edited for spelling...
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:28 pm
bootlegga bootlegga: There are lots of "CEO training opportunities". It's called business school and if people access things called student loans - they can all get an educations. Then if they work hard after graduation, they can get to the executive level. If not, they can be corporate drones their entire life.
"CEO training" is experience. You can't get that sitting in mom's basement smoking weed. You may have to take a McJob (Gasp!) and start working your way up, making contacts and gaining experience.
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Lemmy
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:49 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce: Which union has low income earners? I don't see many unions with their members making minimum wage. Minimum wage laws are a sort of union, when you think about their effects on the labour market.
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