[Unsound]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

So what? That's exactly what they do to us.

I actually kind of agree with mercy killing on the battlefield, but regardless of anything else that's said in this argument, this is the shittest argument of all time. 2 wrongs don't make a right. If we're better than them, we have to actually be better than them. Saying "it's ok cause they did it first!" is the kind of argument my 3 year old makes. I don't accept it from her and I really would expect better of an adult.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Oops out of rational rebuttals already!


Interesting leap. Don't hurt yourself doing that.

Instead of saying, "F*ck you", (as that would be crass) let me just respond with this:

General George S. Patton General George S. Patton:

“No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor bastard die for his.”

If you can't understand this then please, please stay out of your country's military as in combat you'd be about as useful as tits on a bull.

Your quote has nothing to do with the article. No surprise when you try to bluster and bully your way through an argument by tossing out irrelevancies.

As for my service to my military - it's been 25 proud years and counting. Besmirch it if you wish. It speaks more about your qualities than it does mine.

[Gunnair]

Unsound Unsound:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

So what? That's exactly what they do to us.

I actually kind of agree with mercy killing on the battlefield, but regardless of anything else that's said in this argument, this is the shittest argument of all time. 2 wrongs don't make a right. If we're better than them, we have to actually be better than them. Saying "it's ok cause they did it first!" is the kind of argument my 3 year old makes. I don't accept it from her and I really would expect better of an adult.

There is a certain logic, however, as long as we wish to position ourselves on a moral high ground over the bad guys, we need to follow rule of law.

Of course the morally dysfunctional in our society pride themselves on their ability to cherry pick those moral requirements that they like while disdainfully ignoring those that are an inconvenience to their world view.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

As for my service to my military - it's been 25 proud years and counting. Besmirch it if you wish. It speaks more about your qualities than it does mine.

I'm sure the brass on your ship was the shiniest in the navy.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

As for my service to my military - it's been 25 proud years and counting. Besmirch it if you wish. It speaks more about your qualities than it does mine.

I'm sure the brass on your ship was the shiniest in the navy.

Yep. You continue to be a class act.

[saturn_656]

I've heard quite a few folk criticize Semrau.

What I haven't heard is their viewpoint on what he should have done instead. There was no means to treat this individual, the only alternative would be moving on and leaving them in the dirt to die slowly.

Except no one wants to say this. Semrau wouldn't have been a better man or soldier for walking away.

War is hell.

[SprCForr]

I don't know what I would have done if I was faced with the same situation. Shoot him to put him out of misery, shoot him to ensure he was dead and not packing a grenade or booby trap, ignoring him and leaving him to die or throwing the "bandaid" at him knowing there was no chance of medic attention.

Tough call with the end result the same. The guy was going to die.

[2Cdo]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I've heard quite a few folk criticize Semrau.

What I haven't heard is their viewpoint on what he should have done instead. There was no means to treat this individual, the only alternative would be moving on and leaving them in the dirt to die slowly.

Except no one wants to say this. Semrau wouldn't have been a better man or soldier for walking away.

War is hell.

My informal poll of people who were serving at the time was 100% in direct support of Capt. Semrau. It's extremely easy to criticize or claim a higher moral ground when you weren't there, and none of us on this board were with him that day.

I refuse to condemn him, but rather respect him for his battlefield decision.

[SprCForr]

I won't condemn him either.

[Gunnair]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I've heard quite a few folk criticize Semrau.

What I haven't heard is their viewpoint on what he should have done instead. There was no means to treat this individual, the only alternative would be moving on and leaving them in the dirt to die slowly.

Except no one wants to say this. Semrau wouldn't have been a better man or soldier for walking away.

War is hell.

My informal poll of people who were serving at the time was 100% in direct support of Capt. Semrau. It's extremely easy to criticize or claim a higher moral ground when you weren't there, and none of us on this board were with him that day.

I refuse to condemn him, but rather respect him for his battlefield decision.

Well, I'm not much of a fan of the decision - it raises some very interesting and troubling ethical dilemmas that frankly no one in the higher ranks of the military would touch with a ten foot pole.

However, I respect the man in that he has taken responsibility for his decision and has not come out with some soppy memoir or try to bullshit their way into some kind of justification for it ( unlike some)

He made a decision carried out the action and took the consequences.

End of story.

[Bodah]

I'm pretty sure these military judges has never set foot on a battlefield. Just saying. Neither have I of course. But suffering is suffering whether it be your pet dog hit by a car, or a dying wounded enemy combatant.

If it was me, I would want a bullet to the head.

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

He was wrong before the law. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Only if you think keeping someone alive to suffer a slow death is just.

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Gunnair Gunnair:

He was wrong before the law. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Only if you think keeping someone alive to suffer a slow death is just.

The law doesn't make that distinction... even you should be able to understand that.

And yet, it is illegal to end the suffering of our terminally ill. You know, the ones suffering that justified slow death that want it over with quicker than what nature or the doctors will allow..

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

The law doesn't make that distinction... even you should be able to understand that.

I understand that. Sometimes you must break the law to do what is right.

$1:

And yet, it is illegal to end the suffering of our terminally ill. You know, the ones suffering that justified slow death that want it over with quicker than what nature or the doctors will allow..

I don't claim to be an expert on that aspect of Canadian law. If what you say is true, we can add it to the pile of other unjust and harmful laws.

It is a loss for the Canadian Forces, no matter what the motivation was.

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Sometimes you must break the law to do what is right.

Fair enough. He did and he accepted the consequences. Irrespective of the decision, I respect that.