[Zipperfish]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Now we'll have to put a tax on all cargo heading east through AB. from BC. ports.

Good luck. Interprovincial / International Rail is federal jurisdiction. So is interprovinical trucking I believe.

So our interprovinical/international pipelines, so I don't know if BC could tax the oil if they wanted to.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

$1:

These efforts, combined with the fact that pipelines are still by far the safest means by which to transport oil, significantly mitigate the environmental risk and weaken the B.C. government’s argument for compensation based on potential risk.

Well, technically risk is potential, so "potential risk" is a redundant term. Sorry, I'm a geek, what can I say?

I just don't get the whole Kitimat port thing. Doesn't seem like a great place for a port, as the vessels have to navigate all the way up Kitimat Arm. I agree with sorting out the risk / reward equation, but on the other hand, it's likely those billions of dollars will go to general revenue, and the environment will be at the back of the line, as always, to get to those funds. I.e. the royalties will not, I don't think, translate to significantly greater environmental protection.

Seems like the shortest route. lets not forget they do have to run the thing
over the Rockies. Also, it seems a certain amount of
'out of sight, out of mind' comes into play. They certainly wont get permission
to run the pipeline through the Lower Mainland.

As was previously mentioned, it is now just dickering over money, we'll have to
see if the Dippers really want all that cash to fund their dope clinics.
My guess it will be very difficult to turn down, no matter what BS they
are spewing now.

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, not really free actually. More of a down payment to help with the inevitable environmental disaster.

Well maybe BC should rip up it's current natural gas and oil pipelines before they break.

[andyt]

martin14 martin14:

They certainly wont get permission
to run the pipeline through the Lower Mainland.

Actually there's a serious proposal to twin the current pipeline that runs through the Lower Mainland, since the right of way is already established.

[Zipperfish]

Also, the airport (when I left) was talking about receving tanker traffic on the Fraser so it could buy its fuel on the world market.

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, not really free actually. More of a down payment to help with the inevitable environmental disaster.

Well maybe BC should rip up it's current natural gas and oil pipelines before they break.

Or, we should run a dozen pipelines and have tanker traffic run up Grenville Channel.

Isn't tossing out retarded suggestions fun?

[Alta_redneck]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

$1:

These efforts, combined with the fact that pipelines are still by far the safest means by which to transport oil, significantly mitigate the environmental risk and weaken the B.C. government’s argument for compensation based on potential risk.

Well, technically risk is potential, so "potential risk" is a redundant term. Sorry, I'm a geek, what can I say?

I just don't get the whole Kitimat port thing. Doesn't seem like a great place for a port, as the vessels have to navigate all the way up Kitimat Arm. I agree with sorting out the risk / reward equation, but on the other hand, it's likely those billions of dollars will go to general revenue, and the environment will be at the back of the line, as always, to get to those funds. I.e. the royalties will not, I don't think, translate to significantly greater environmental protection.

Douglas Channel makes no sense to me, never has, never will. And I agree, so,little of that money will be squirreled away to pay for the billion dollar cleanup to be done by the clean up industry that no longer exists.

Hell, there ain't a real plan for the tsunami cleanup so how will they deal with a tanker that, whoops, parked on Coste Rocks.

Well want about Prince Rupert then?

[Gunnair]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Douglas Channel makes no sense to me, never has, never will. And I agree, so,little of that money will be squirreled away to pay for the billion dollar cleanup to be done by the clean up industry that no longer exists.

Hell, there ain't a real plan for the tsunami cleanup so how will they deal with a tanker that, whoops, parked on Coste Rocks.

Well want about Prince Rupert then?

No, though it's much less of a trip than Kitimat. Frankly, I do not support tanker traffic period on the mid or north coast. The conditions are too challenging and the difficulty in responding to a spill negate any financial benefits.

[Freakinoldguy]

And here's the latest in the war between Victoria and Edmonton

$1:

Pipeline fuels clash between B.C., Alberta
Expert says Clark should be targeting Enbridge

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busine ... 59386.html

No offense intended but it's kind of like the monkey and the organ grinder thing. Why is Enbridge getting a pass while the Provinces engage in a pissing contest. If anyone should be paying BC for the use of our land, ports and risk it should be Enbridge not the Province of Alberta.

But like I said before, I can see the BC Liberals signing off on the pipeline before the next election just to screw over Adrian Dix and the NDP who will more than likely form the next government.

[BeaverFever]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Good luck. Interprovincial / International Rail is federal jurisdiction. So is interprovinical trucking I believe.

So our interprovinical/international pipelines, so I don't know if BC could tax the oil if they wanted to.

Doesn't sound like BC's threat is to tax the pipeline under statutory authority, rather it's demand seems to be for a contractual agreement with Albert and/or oil co's whereby the province receives payment for 'hosting' the pipeline. The threat is that BC will refuse land access to the proposed site, tie up the project with endless legislative, regulatory and court proceedings, bury them in bureaucratic red tape, and refuse delivery of essential services like Hydro to the pipeline.

[bootlegga]

for greed! BC is fast learning Alberta's bad habits!

[DrCaleb]

Political posturing. Nothing more.

Enbridge wants to build a pipe across BC. If there is a spill, Enbridge pays for the cleanup, just like it always does. Not BC. Alberta sells oilsands to companies and collect royalties on it, and those companies pay Enbridge (or another company) to ship the oil in their pipe to markets. The Government of Alberta has little to do with things after the first sale, why should it pass royalties to BC for something 2 companies are doing?

Speaking of which, how much in royalties does BC pay for the natural gas pipelines up north, or the trucks full of timber that roll across our highways? Did they ever give Alberta one dime when Bill Bennet approved a hydro dam that caused a severe water shortage in southern Alberta?

No.

So, STFU and let's talk about how we are going to get products to market in a responsible manner, instead of whining about fairness when the rules are already being followed.

[Bodah]

BC already has a few pipelines in place, they also have tankers coming in as well. But suddenly this new one is bad and will be an environmental disaster.

[BartSimpson]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Now we'll have to put a tax on all cargo heading east through AB. from BC. ports.

Absolutely.

[Thanos]

That's because oilsands oil is evil.

The whole thing is a waste of time to discuss anyway. Once TransCanada and Nebraska get their routing issues sorted out, Keystone'll be a go no matter who is President. Gateway won't be needed at all.

Not sure which annoys me more. The enviro-Nazis who are going to behave like killing Gateway is their Biggest. Victory. EVER. Or twats like Ezra Levant who was writing crap the other day about how being against the pipeline meant you hated Canada. Battle of wits between two equally unarmed opponents. Too bad they didn't all shoot each other in the head.