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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:49 pm
 


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Who held them at gun point in school and forces them to become a doctor? Who shows up and drags them to work each day?


So you have no problem with them moving to the US to make more money?

Many do get into medicine because it's been a lifelong dream. Billing and such aren't a concern when going through med school. Once you get into the system, you start to see what it's all about.

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We are the people that must pay for it. If they want to run business the demands payment above the government rates they can change their line of work.


And many of them do, they get into specific fields or move to the US. It's hard to compete when in some cases, doctors are being paid double in the US. And when they do that, we cry about it and ask why.

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If they want to incress their profit maybe they should cut their costs, become more efficent, or take on more work. If they are unhappy with the caree choice they made and feel they are not paid enough, well welcome to the buyers remorse education edition


Walk into a doctors office in the last 20 years? It's hard to push the envelope of efficiency when you have 4 doctors working in a clinic with 2 people answering phones, shitty old toys and books. Pretty efficient these days.

All some of us want is the choice to pay for our own insurance and visit private clinics. Keep my taxes the same, but give me the choice to opt for private care and insurance.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:59 pm
 


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After living in the US for 15 years, trust me, you don't want to end up with a two tier HC system: one for the rich, and one for the poor. If doctors are not paid well enough for their services, that needs to addressed. But you don't want to go down a path of letting some doctors just charge what they please. There should be equal access for all, without some being more equal than others!


Doctors are doing just fine. Like everybody else, they always want more, many of them. We have a govt in power that's sympathetic to destroying our single payer system, so some doctors are trying to push it thru.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:06 pm
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Xort Xort:
Who held them at gun point in school and forces them to become a doctor? Who shows up and drags them to work each day?


So you have no problem with them moving to the US to make more money?
that was then, this is now.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Many do get into medicine because it's been a lifelong dream. Billing and such aren't a concern when going through med school. Once you get into the system, you start to see what it's all about.
Well the poor dears better do some due diligence before they get into medschool then - like talk to doctors about what a horror show it is. What was this dream of theirs - to make lots of money? Cause you can't tell me that doctors in Canada are hard done by.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Xort Xort:
We are the people that must pay for it. If they want to run business the demands payment above the government rates they can change their line of work.


And many of them do, they get into specific fields or move to the US. It's hard to compete when in some cases, doctors are being paid double in the US. And when they do that, we cry about it and ask why.
Care to post some stats about how many doctors we're losing to the US these days?


All this, and we subsidize their education too. Ungrateful bastards.


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
So you have no problem with them moving to the US to make more money?
I would say given the level of assistance given for education I would feel somewhat cheated, but not enough to want to make my own health care costs rise so we can pay the few that do want to leave more to stay.
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Many do get into medicine because it's been a lifelong dream. Billing and such aren't a concern when going through med school. Once you get into the system, you start to see what it's all about.
Realy someone that is 20-25 has no idea how the health care system, the profession they are studying to join, works? I doubt that.
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And many of them do, they get into specific fields or move to the US. It's hard to compete when in some cases, doctors are being paid double in the US. And when they do that, we cry about it and ask why.
The brain drain arugment was old 10 years ago. If they want to 'get paid double' then I guess they think the money differance makes up for having to live in the USA. If people got hopping mad about this, we could restucture how the education system pays for stuff to leave ship jumpers on the hook, but it's likely a small number.

Also are you sure about the differance in ability to earn money? Doctors in the USA might gross double the amount, but do they keep double the amount?

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Walk into a doctors office in the last 20 years? It's hard to push the envelope of efficiency when you have 4 doctors working in a clinic with 2 people answering phones, shitty old toys and books. Pretty efficient these days.

And nothing at all in anyway could be improved to make it more efficenct, or profitable. That's funny because it would require technology to have stood still, and the state of the medical art to be static. Over your suggested 20 year period.

Well if a private practice isn't profitable enough, then give up on being your own boss and find employement with the government. Working for the government isn't a terrible paid day.
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All some of us want is the choice to pay for our own insurance and visit private clinics. Keep my taxes the same, but give me the choice to opt for private care and insurance.
And you can't see how your suggested private system would end up hurting the public system in any way do you?


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