[OnTheIce]

jeff744 jeff744:

Two horses a year die to entertain over a million people, horses that live most of their life in relative luxury compared to a lot of the cattle that major cities get (feedlot cattle). I know people that race horses, the person places themselves at extreme risk as well and the horse is treated extremely well, they are considered part of the family, a lot better treatment than cattle which often just get a number.

I don't find it entertaining to sit and watch a race that you're almost certain a horse or two will die during that race. 17,000 people were entertained watching 3 horses die this week. Not millions, 17,000.

Even with TV coverage it wouldn't touch a million.

That's not entertaining to me and it doesn't matter how well you treat the horse before hand, it matters that you put them at risk in an age-old event that should be put out to pasture itself.

[jeff744]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

jeff744 jeff744:

Two horses a year die to entertain over a million people, horses that live most of their life in relative luxury compared to a lot of the cattle that major cities get (feedlot cattle). I know people that race horses, the person places themselves at extreme risk as well and the horse is treated extremely well, they are considered part of the family, a lot better treatment than cattle which often just get a number.

I don't find it entertaining to sit and watch a race that you're almost certain a horse or two will die during that race. 17,000 people were entertained watching 3 horses die this week. Not millions, 17,000.

Even with TV coverage it wouldn't touch a million.

That's not entertaining to me and it doesn't matter how well you treat the horse before hand, it matters that you put them at risk in an age-old event that should be put out to pasture itself.

By that logic all rodeos should be shut down because they are ricking animals for entertainment. City folk

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Difference is, cows are killed in the most humane way possible and used for human consumption.

These horses are used strictly for entertaining people in an archaic event that typically leaves one lying trampled to death on the ground and others with injuries so bad, they're killed.

Apples. Oranges.

I just don't know how you can be so consistently wrong about everything OTL. It's not the quality of the death that counts, but the quality of life. Most food animals have a very poor quality of life. Chickens are the worst, but cows aren't that far behind, particularly veal. Short lifespan (under two years), crowded feedlots, unnatural diets.

Horses have it pretty good in comparison.

[Proculation]

They are horses... Riders didn't died. That's what's important. Let the tears for the owner of the lost ones.

[Zipperfish]

Proculation Proculation:

They are horses... Riders didn't died. That's what's important. Let the tears for the owner of the lost ones.

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Probably didn't even cry duing Old Yeller.

[jeff744]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Difference is, cows are killed in the most humane way possible and used for human consumption.

These horses are used strictly for entertaining people in an archaic event that typically leaves one lying trampled to death on the ground and others with injuries so bad, they're killed.

Apples. Oranges.

I just don't know how you can be so consistently wrong about everything OTL. It's not the quality of the death that counts, but the quality of life. Most food animals have a very poor quality of life. Chickens are the worst, but cows aren't that far behind, particularly veal. Short lifespan (under two years), crowded feedlots, unnatural diets.

Horses have it pretty good in comparison.

The cows in the US feedlots are particularly bad as they have to be given a significant number of shots to extend their lifespan long enough to maximize the amount of meat as their natural life is dramatically reduced due to a corn diet.

[andyt]

jeff744 jeff744:

I hate to break it to you, but that burger you had a little while ago was made because an animal died. Many of these horses are loved by their owners, being well fed, looked after, and often considered a part of the family. The only real differences between a horse that died in the stampede and the cow that ended up in a slaughterhouse is that the horse had a name and doesn't end up on your dinner plate.

The difference is nobody cries crocodile tears when the cows get slaughtered. A more honest response would be "it's a fucking horse, we make lots of money racing them, it died." Don't act all puzzled and confused when they do die, since they average 2 a year.

I've never had horse meat, but I'd try it if it was offered. I don't get all weepy for the fact horses are killed and eaten. But if these horses were "like family" they wouldn't enter them in chuckwagon races. Most rodeos seem to manage to operate without them.

Just can the false sentiment, is all, or better yet can the wagon races.

[Lemmy]

This, while relatively common, is still an ACCIDENT. Should the organizers of the Stampede try to make it safer for the horses? Of course. But it's not like wagon races are bullfights and it sure as hell isn't anything comparable beef production for food. I grew up on a beef farm. Carrots are smarter than cows. Save the righteous indignation for the horrible fate humans perpetrate on defenseless carrots trying to find their way in the world.

[EyeBrock]

Freedom for carrots? Oh yea! That would be something for those rent-a-mob protesters to get right behind!

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I just don't know how you can be so consistently wrong about everything OTL. It's not the quality of the death that counts, but the quality of life. Most food animals have a very poor quality of life. Chickens are the worst, but cows aren't that far behind, particularly veal. Short lifespan (under two years), crowded feedlots, unnatural diets.

Horses have it pretty good in comparison.

My opinion is no less wrong than yours and while I appreciate your poor attempt at being witty, we're not talking about food animals.

We're talking about taking out the family pet for a event where numbers say about 2 of them will die every race. No amount of your half-wit humor will change my opinion that it's a stupid event.

[BeaverFever]

I'm with OTI on this one. Sure, there is abundant cruelty in slaughterhouses but at least the purpose is FOOD.

There is nothing noble or valuable in the killing and maiming of animals just for the entertainment of spectators. Chuckwagon races need to end.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

jeff744 jeff744:

I hate to break it to you, but that burger you had a little while ago was made because an animal died. Many of these horses are loved by their owners, being well fed, looked after, and often considered a part of the family. The only real differences between a horse that died in the stampede and the cow that ended up in a slaughterhouse is that the horse had a name and doesn't end up on your dinner plate.

The difference is nobody cries crocodile tears when the cows get slaughtered. A more honest response would be "it's a fucking horse, we make lots of money racing them, it died." Don't act all puzzled and confused when they do die, since they average 2 a year.

I've never had horse meat, but I'd try it if it was offered. I don't get all weepy for the fact horses are killed and eaten. But if these horses were "like family" they wouldn't enter them in chuckwagon races. Most rodeos seem to manage to operate without them.

Just can the false sentiment, is all, or better yet can the wagon races.

Agreed. The quivering lip bullshit and family sentiments annoy the crap out of me - more likely the tears are for the cost of horse replacement.

My dog is like family as well, an animal I love very much. And although I don't want to stop it being a dog, I will also not go out of my way to expose it to danger where it will be badly injured or killed.

The idiot owner that CBC interviewed last night came off as a bit of a shitpump with his repeated "that's all I'm gonna say about that" crap

[BeaverFever]

Well said Gunny!

[jeff744]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Agreed. The quivering lip bullshit and family sentiments annoy the crap out of me - more likely the tears are for the cost of horse replacement.

My dog is like family as well, an animal I love very much. And although I don't want to stop it being a dog, I will also not go out of my way to expose it to danger where it will be badly injured or killed.

The idiot owner that CBC interviewed last night came off as a bit of a shitpump with his repeated "that's all I'm gonna say about that" crap

So people that race chuckwagons never have a strong connection to their horses? Horses aren't cattle, you rarely find a farmer with a few thousand head of horse, more often you find them with less horses than you have fingers and each one is important to them as they spend countless hours training them. Hard to not have a connection to an animal you spend that much time with.

To go along with the dog idea, not everyone loves their dog like a part of the family, to them it could just be a show animal or breeding stock, but many do consider them part of the family.

[andyt]

Would you enter your nephew in an event that had this high a chance of getting him killed? If these horses are part of their family, they have a pretty weird concept of what that means. It's just bullshit tears. They're using the horses, they should just admit it. Not act so stunned when the inevitable happens.