[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

Wouldn't the US make any noise if Mexican military crossed the border to take out a known drug cartel ?

Not really.

By Caleb's rules, (I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting your opinion) I'm allowed to call bullshit here. The US would shit itself if Mexican troops crossed the border without prior permission, even if it was to take out some cartel leader. Shit themselves real bad.

[desertdude]

What ever dude, thats not the point. I think most if not everybody got the point I was trying to make.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

Wouldn't the US make any noise if Mexican military crossed the border to take out a known drug cartel ?

Not really.

By Caleb's rules, (I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting your opinion) I'm allowed to call bullshit here. The US would shit itself if Mexican troops crossed the border without prior permission, even if it was to take out some cartel leader. Shit themselves real bad.

I posted the thousands of references off of Google for you. Make of it what you will.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

What ever dude, thats not the point. I think most if not everybody got the point I was trying to make.

I did, but you also need to see the perspective of the people you're talking about and that's globalists.

Bush was all about the neo-con corporate globalists who see the whole world as a big market.

Obama is all about the leftist globalists like his friend and supporter George Soros who promotes what he calls an 'Open Society'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society

To these people the notions of borders and national sovereignty are an impediment to their plans and they really don't care if anyone gets offended by their border violations. To a great extent, they don't care about border violations by other people if it serves their political desires.

And Obama, even before he was elected, made it clear that Pakistani national sovereignty was irrelevant to him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20070536/ns ... -pakistan/

[desertdude]

And that is reason of growing Anti American sentiment in a lot of countries, let alone Pakistan. And also the reason why before Pakistan became a "strategic" partner in US's war on terror there were no Pakistani Taliban, today more than 30 Pakistani Taliban groups exist.

Hopefully once the new leadership is elected sometime later this year or early next year, all this will end when the new govt stops being a military partner with the US.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Hopefully once the new leadership is elected sometime later this year or early next year, all this will end when the new govt stops being a military partner with the US.

I don't know if that will help as Obama has already said that he'd send troops into Pakistan if he wanted to. As in not just a raid but an invasion.

[raydan]

I'm sure OBL is alive and well and living out the rest of his life in witness protection.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

Hopefully once the new leadership is elected sometime later this year or early next year, all this will end when the new govt stops being a military partner with the US.

I don't know if that will help as Obama has already said that he'd send troops into Pakistan if he wanted to. As in not just a raid but an invasion.

See there are a few problems with that scenario. First of all, all breaches like the drone attacks are happening with the ruling elites approval. As various scandals such as the haqqani memogate, which have revealed that they are in on it and they make a noise in the National Assembley that they are against it but behind the scenes they ok with it as long as US aid keeps flowing so they can line their pockets.

The other is hopefully no American president is stupid enough to start another war with a reasonable sized, equipped and nuclear armed army when the two wars have already brought the US to its knees. It can ill afford to start another shit storm.

[EyeBrock]

"Brought the US to its Knees."

Well, we know whose side you are on DD. Not that we didn't know already.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

when the two wars have already brought the US to its knees.

'Brought to our knees' and 'tired of f*cking around' in your neighborhood are two different things.

No offense to you, but you have not seen an angry United States yet and you should not mistake a lack of interest in dealing with the folks in your neighborhood as a lack of resolve on our part. Piss us off enough and you will see what the United States can do when we're mad.

And if Pakistan went nuclear then there won't be much left to worry about. The USA has some very strict policies that come into play if any enemy uses nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us. Not even this President can stop those mechanisms...which is exactly why they were put in place.

[desertdude]

Try selling another war to the American public, tried and already failed with Iran and Syria and how very nicely you shrug off something that has cost you billions and thousands of lives, bred a new wave of enemies, destroyed your own economy so and so forth as just fucking around in someone else's backyard

Even though I do not support the wars. I think you do a great dis service to your country and your fallen men and women by trivialising it to such an extent.

Like I said in an earlier thread maybe you guys should stop "fucking around" in someone elses yard and concentrate more on what is happening in your backyard i.e : narco terrorism from the south.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Try selling another war to the American public, tried and already failed with Iran and Syria and how very nicely you shrug off something that has cost you billions and thousands of lives, bred a new wave of enemies, destroyed your own economy so and so forth as just fucking around in someone else's backyard

Even though I do not support the wars. I think you do a great dis service to your country and your fallen men and women by trivialising it to such an extent.

Like I said in an earlier thread maybe you guys should stop "fucking around" in someone elses yard and concentrate more on what is happening in your backyard i.e : narco terrorism from the south.

The sandbox became our backyard when some of your fellow co-religionists redesigned the World Trade Center.

I've said it over and over, and so have many people before me, that if the Arabs would simply stop fighting they'd quickly find that in turn no one would be fighting them.

But too many of your fellow co-religionists have it in their minds to fight 'the inidels' forever, don't they?

I figure that sooner or later one of the nutbars will get hold of some nuclear weapons and cut loose on Israel or the USA. If so, they'd do well to choose the USA because we'll only destroy the country the weapons come from. Israel, on the other hand, is far more pragmatic and they do not draw any such national distinctions between you folks.

If Iran nukes Tel Aviv then the Israelis purportedly have a plan to reduce some 200+ Muslim population centers. I'd presume that to include Dubai.

I hate to say, but I'm coming to the conclusion that this is how things are going to play out at some point.

Edit: And Obama comes from a Sunni background and I doubt he'd hestitate to pull the trigger on Iran if he thought it necessary.

[desertdude]

Right ! How many wars can the war mongerers pull America into playing the 9/11 sympathy card and for how long while totally ingnoring its own international conduct. You've already started two wars and yet gotten nothing out of it other than growing anti American sentiment aswell as breeding a whole new generation of enemies who saw the US invade and destroy their lands. Eventually all of this catch up to it, if they don't mend their ways.

Although you pretend you hate to say it but yet you keep on repeating it over and over because that what you really wish to see right, to get rid of the vermin once and for all right ! But you and your ilk are just too ignorant to factor is a few basic facts. Even in an extreme hypothetical situation if Iran were to ever nuke Israel, I'm sure you know how big Israel is. It would kill off all the Palestenians aswell as destroy all the holy sites, the muslim world itself would turn on Iran. Even the most cookiest Iranian mullah has more sense than you brightest warmongers.

I honestly feel sorry for people with your mentality that can only think of military and violent solutions to even the smallest issue and think only might is right. I guess Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't taught them anything, you can't bomb everytime someone disagrees with you.

Anyways this is waaaay beyond the OP here.

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, we know whose side you are on DD. Not that we didn't know already.

Yeah yeah whatever bruv, you've been yapping this since the day I turned up here. If you have anything meaningfull say now would be time other eise move along and save you spectator comments for another thread.

[Wada]

Have to agree with DD on this one.