[andyt]

I think you have good point, Curt. But I don't agree that he'll never be set free. I wish that was the case, but too often these guys are deemed "cured" and released. Look at the Quebec doctor who killed his kids.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

I think you have good point, Curt. But I don't agree that he'll never be set free. I wish that was the case, but too often these guys are deemed "cured" and released. Look at the Quebec doctor who killed his kids.

He'll be under supervision for the rest of his life.

I blame the religion that tells people it's normal to have God speak to them. But to make a stink about a yearly review that happens automatically is crazy. There are more important issues that something can actually be done about. Punishing Vince Li isn't going to prevent anyone from becoming insane.

[Brenda]

Curtman Curtman:

andyt andyt:

I think you have good point, Curt. But I don't agree that he'll never be set free. I wish that was the case, but too often these guys are deemed "cured" and released. Look at the Quebec doctor who killed his kids.

He'll be under supervision for the rest of his life.

Can you guarantee that?

$1:

I blame the religion that tells people it's normal to have God speak to them. But to make a stink about a yearly review that happens automatically is crazy. There are more important issues that something can actually be done about. Punishing Vince Li isn't going to prevent anyone from becoming insane.

Those yearly reviews should not happen from day one. If he'd been found criminally responsible, he would be eligible for parole when, after 10, or 25 years? Or anything in between? Why does he have a right to a "parole-hearing" already?

[Curtman]

Brenda Brenda:

Those yearly reviews should not happen from day one. If he'd been found criminally responsible, he would be eligible for parole when, after 10, or 25 years? Or anything in between? Why does he have a right to a "parole-hearing" already?

So you want to stick him in a hole and throw things at him to feel better? Its not a parole hearing, its a status report. If it helps, go sign the petition at Tim's Law.

[Bodah]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I think my position on capital punishment is well established. I'd have executed the fucker. But let's save the outrage for when he actually gets out or is allowed to walk about unescorted. Neither of those things will ever happen, so why get angry about it?

I can see why the mother of the slain kid who has to go to these hearings every year, as to why she would get angry about it.

[Brenda]

Curtman Curtman:

Brenda Brenda:

Those yearly reviews should not happen from day one. If he'd been found criminally responsible, he would be eligible for parole when, after 10, or 25 years? Or anything in between? Why does he have a right to a "parole-hearing" already?

So you want to stick him in a hole and throw things at him to feel better? Its not a parole hearing, its a status report. If it helps, go sign the petition at Tim's Law.

Wow. You're naive.
Did I say that?
But hey, I guess as long as Lee takes his medication, we can just forget about Tim and that he ever existed. Who cares, right?

Again, if he had been found criminally responsible, he would have gotten life. It's ok to "stick people who are criminally responsible in a whole and throw things at them", but poor Vince Lee should walk free, as long as he takes his meds?

He was supposed to be on them when he killed Tim. But hey, you don't care.

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Brenda Brenda:

Those yearly reviews should not happen from day one. If he'd been found criminally responsible, he would be eligible for parole when, after 10, or 25 years? Or anything in between? Why does he have a right to a "parole-hearing" already?

So you want to stick him in a hole and throw things at him to feel better? Its not a parole hearing, its a status report. If it helps, go sign the petition at Tim's Law.

Thanks for the link.

It's unfortunate that we have to sign petitions to keep protect ourselves from the apathy and incompetence of our judicial and medical systems which seems to be more attuned to serving the needs and wants of psychotic butchers like Vince Li than keeping the rest of us safe.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Curtman Curtman:

Brenda Brenda:

Those yearly reviews should not happen from day one. If he'd been found criminally responsible, he would be eligible for parole when, after 10, or 25 years? Or anything in between? Why does he have a right to a "parole-hearing" already?

So you want to stick him in a hole and throw things at him to feel better? Its not a parole hearing, its a status report. If it helps, go sign the petition at Tim's Law.

Thanks for the link.

It's unfortunate that we have to sign petitions to keep protect ourselves from the apathy and incompetence of our judicial and medical systems which seems to be more attuned to serving the needs and wants of psychotic butchers like Vince Li than keeping the rest of us safe.

Yes I must say I rather enjoyed signing that petition.

[martin14]

However, an update...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... ml?cmp=rss

$1:

Monday, a psychiatrist who has been treating Li asked the Manitoba's Review Board to allow Li to take escorted trips into the community of Selkirk, north of Winnipeg with two escorts. Dr. Steve Kremer said Li has responded well to his treatment and understands he has schizophrenia.

The Crown did not object to the recommendation at Monday's hearing.

Li's doctors also recommended that he should be allowed to be generally supervised on the hospital grounds, rather than one-one-one supervision.

The board reserved its decision and is expected to make a determination within a couple of days.

hmm, trips outside the hospital already, and no direct supervision on the grounds.


I dunno, this is just moronic. Maybe the people in Selkirk,
go Indian on the hospital or something.

[Gunnair]

Frankly, Curtman does have a point. Though of course there are no absolutes, this guy getting a yearly review appears to be SOP and some culpability can be heaped upon the media for making a big deal out of what is likely a non-starting media circus. Yes, the guy carried out a horrific act and was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but my level if cynicism in our justice system has not yet reached the point where I think a bunch of doctors on a review board will look at this guy's history of not taking his meds with the resulting need to carry out a head removal and say, "Close enough."

Yawn may not have been the most sensitive response, but it is a media made tempest in a teapot and the sooner the family realizes it the better. As Lemmy suggested, wake us up when something actually happens, not when there an amazingly remote chance that something will happen.

[Brenda]

See, I don't care about ME. I don't find it necessarily important how I feel about this. But I can imagine how his mom feels every year. There is no closure. They don't have time for a breather or the next hearing comes up. It IS a big deal to them. Every damned year again.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

See, I don't care about ME. I don't find it necessarily important how I feel about this. But I can imagine how his mom feels every year. There is no closure. They don't have time for a breather or the next hearing comes up. It IS a big deal to them. Every damned year again.

Agreed. However, the media is stirring it up making that more difficult for the family each time some commentator comes out with some hypothetical.

The reality is likely much different for the foreseeable future.

[Unsound]

Brenda Brenda:

See, I don't care about ME. I don't find it necessarily important how I feel about this. But I can imagine how his mom feels every year. There is no closure. They don't have time for a breather or the next hearing comes up. It IS a big deal to them. Every damned year again.

You think this is really the worst part of the family's year?

As others said, it's just a standard operating procedure. When someone is commited to a mental hospital there has to be a preocedure to determine if they still belong there. A review once a year or so would seem a reasonable interval.

I don't doubt that it's tough on the family, but so are a lot of other things. The anniversary of the murder is tougher i'm sure. I imagine that some of Tim's friends and family have tough emotional reactions every time a Greyhound rolls by.

As much as we might hate to admit it, the criminals do still have rights in this country. Their rights should never be allowed to overshadow the rights of the victims, of course, but neither should they be taken away completely. Like it or not Vince Li has a right to be assesed to see if he's "better". Most of us would agree that he probably won't be considered "better" or "cured" for a good long time, if ever, but just throwing him in a hole to rot doesn't do anyone any good.

Nothing will bring Tim back or make his family miss him any less, but perhaps someday another incident like this will be prevented because of something that the doctors working with Vince Li learned. Far as I can see that would be the only way to get any good out of the situation.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

the criminals do still have rights in this country

It's debatable if this guy is human other than physically.

[Unsound]

Because he's sick?