[Lemmy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

You live north of Oshawa?

In the summer. My cottage is near Kirkfield. Born and raised in the Kawarthas.

[RUEZ]

Curtman Curtman:

This idiocy will never end until the black market stops providing them with funds. Nobody wins the drug war, it just goes on and on costing more and more money and lives.

Mexico is free to legalize drugs and see if that reduces crime. Instead they blame their problems on the U.S.

[ShepherdsDog]

well quirk does have a point - the broken clock metaphor comes into play here. It's the huge American demand for illegal drugs that keeps the gangs in business. it could be fully legalized in Mexico and the rest of the Americas and that wouldn't change much.

[RUEZ]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

well quirk does have a point - the broken clock metaphor comes into play here. It's the huge American demand for illegal drugs that keeps the gangs in business. it could be fully legalized in Mexico and the rest of the Americas and that wouldn't change much.

Which is why Mexico needs to actually do something about their problem, because we all know the U.S. isn't headed towards legalizing hard drugs.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

well quirk does have a point - the broken clock metaphor comes into play here. It's the huge American demand for illegal drugs that keeps the gangs in business. it could be fully legalized in Mexico and the rest of the Americas and that wouldn't change much.

Which is why Mexico needs to actually do something about their problem, because we all know the U.S. isn't headed towards legalizing hard drugs.

They probably will when their time comes in the domino effect.

$1:

“You reach the conclusion that all this killing in Mexico and Central America has been in the name of a failed policy that the United States does not believe in or vigorously defend”
- Cesar Gaviria (Former president of Columbia)

$1:

“There’s probably been no person who has fought the drug cartels and drug trafficking as I have, But at the same time, we must be very frank: After 40 years of pedaling and pedaling very hard, sometimes you look to your left, you look to your right and you are almost in the same position.

“And so you have to ask yourself: Are we doing the correct thing?”
- Juan Manuel Santos (Current president of Columbia)

[Freakinoldguy]

And if the 37 weren't enough to get their message across, they've uped the ante and the laughs just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

49 headless bodies found near U.S. border

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/headle ... story.html

And who said killing people was bad for business. I guess Capone never went to Mexico.

[CrazyNewfie]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

*THIS* is what Arizona is complaining about with illegal immigration because this stuff is spilling across the border.

Yeah, it kinda sucks having a lawless cesspool to one's immediate south, doesn't it?

LMAO, I'm at work and literally laughed out loud, everyone probably thinks I'm crazy! Canadian?
As for the story, just sick, they are pretty much animals with no sympathty for human life what so ever. Greed is what is killing this world and making things like this happen, and not just from drug cartels. Greed from the highest levels is ruining this world, which is kinda sad as I would like to think the majority of people would prefer to live in a different world.

[BartSimpson]

Mexico's problem is rooted first in the fact that their culture tends to lionize criminals and strongmen. It's the culture of machismo where little boys don't dream of growing up to be doctors or lawyers, they want to be 'El Jefe' (The Chief) which is a title that means far more in Mexico than it does in the US or Canada.

If drugs were legalized these gangs would move on to something else and they'd still be a problem.

[andyt]

They'd certainly try. But a huge source of income would be denied to them. Less money, less power.

[bootlegga]

RUEZ RUEZ:

What is Mexico doing about this? And why are Canadians still going there in droves?

The Mexicans who try to do something about this wind up dead - usually along with their family too. There was a story about a cop who was elected to take down the cartels - less than an hour after he was sworn in, he was machine-gunned to death. So I'm guessing most Mexicans are just looking the other way and trying to keep their heads down.

As for Canadians going to Mexico, most of the drug violence takes place in the north - Monterrey where this happened, is about an hour (or so) south of the US border. Most Canadians go to Cancun, Mazatlan or Puerto Vallarta - all of which are hundreds of kms away from the drug 'war zone'.

The Mexican government though relies heavily on tourism and as such, has incredible amounts of security in places where tourists actually go. I went on a cruise last Christmas and it stopped in Puerto for a day - while on my tour of the city, I saw several trucks driving around town loaded with troops carrying M-16s - some of the trucks also had pintle-mounted heavy machine-guns.

Mexico, despite its drug problems, is still a nice place to visit with lots of nice people living there. However, because it is so dangerous (not just because of drug problems), I don't foresee myself or my family visiting it again.

[Unsound]

Fact is, if you want nice weather in the middle of january, you're pretty much stuck going some place with a crime problem. Warm countries all seem to have the same problems.

As has been discussed here before, it's not as dangerous as it seems. If you're smart and follow a few common sense rules, you're as safe in Mexico as you are in the states.

[ShepherdsDog]

bootlegga bootlegga:

RUEZ RUEZ:

What is Mexico doing about this? And why are Canadians still going there in droves?

The Mexicans who try to do something about this wind up dead - usually along with their family too. There was a story about a cop who was elected to take down the cartels - less than an hour after he was sworn in, he was machine-gunned to death. So I'm guessing most Mexicans are just looking the other way and trying to keep their heads down.

As for Canadians going to Mexico, most of the drug violence takes place in the north - Monterrey where this happened, is about an hour (or so) south of the US border. Most Canadians go to Cancun, Mazatlan or Puerto Vallarta - all of which are hundreds of kms away from the drug 'war zone'.

The Mexican government though relies heavily on tourism and as such, has incredible amounts of security in places where tourists actually go. I went on a cruise last Christmas and it stopped in Puerto for a day - while on my tour of the city, I saw several trucks driving around town loaded with troops carrying M-16s - some of the trucks also had pintle-mounted heavy machine-guns.

Mexico, despite its drug problems, is still a nice place to visit with lots of nice people living there. However, because it is so dangerous (not just because of drug problems), I don't foresee myself or my family visiting it again.

Try Costa Rica. Much nicer, cheaper and safer for the family.

[Unsound]

I looked at Costa Rica but it was a lot more money than mexico.

[Lemmy]

Unsound Unsound:

Fact is, if you want nice weather in the middle of january, you're pretty much stuck going some place with a crime problem. Warm countries all seem to have the same problems.

Turks and Caicos hasn't yet reached 37 murders (let alone dismembered bodies) this century.

[ShepherdsDog]

I'm going to Guam in two months....excitement, here I come......... I hope it's changed since I was there last.