[desertdude]

martin14 martin14:

desertdude desertdude:

The jury in this matter is of no consequence, the jury could have consisted of any mix of race or religion. If there was clear evidence of the crime, they would have been convicted, because no one in their sane mind could not find them guilty and I for one am glad they were, in fact think the sentences are quite lenient.

And like I said earlier I have no issues with calling a spade a spade but idiots like Marin here cannot separate their hatred of Islam and Muslims with a gang of criminals who happen to be Muslims or that any of their actions were carried out in the name of any nation or religion and have to give it that twist when it has nothing to do with it. But again as metioned in my post in the other thread, it would be beneath them to waste such an opportunity to once again target Islam and Muslims.

Also another question comes to mind is where were the parents of these girls, not trying to take anything away from the horrendous nature of the crime or blaming the victim but it also boggles the mind that such young girls keep such company and none of the parents are aware of their wareabouts and activities or even suspicious ? I would also call this a parenting fail as well. I know people who have young children living in a different country and know about their offsprings where abouts.

Well, the judge said differently DD, if you bothered to read any of it.

So the best you can come back with is personal attacks against me, along with
yet another round of blame the victim ?

Ranks right up there with " well she deserved to be raped, she was dressed like
a slut, you know her ankles were showing and everything "

To quote sandorski.... FAIL.

Yes bright spark, mind pointing out where any of these dispicable thugs state they were doing all of this in the name of religion ? No one has said that nor bothered to make that connection because everyone knows it is nothing short of ridiculous. Save for idiots like you.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Yes bright spark, mind pointing out where any of these dispicable thugs state they were doing all of this in the name of religion ? No one has said that nor bothered to make that connection because everyone knows it is nothing short of ridiculous. Save for idiots like you.

These mutts selected their victims not because the offenders were Muslim but because their victims were not. That's religious discrimination right there.

The fact that they did not even have one Muslim victim speaks to what the prosecution and the media is saying about them in that they view non-Muslim girls as less than and subject to whatever abuse these filth wanted to hand out.

Even a Muslim spoke out to denounce this atrocity and he made it clear that this is a systemic cultural problem among Muslims in the UK and that this is not to be dismissed as a mere 'isolated incident'.

[andyt]

That's bullshit Bart. There are lots of pimps of all colors and supposed religions out there. This is no different. Sure, Islam seems to produce misogynistic men, but we've got plenty of them that were born Christian or what have you. These guys were doing it for money and power, same as any other pimp. To throw race into it just muddies the waters.

What is sad is the racism of the cops who won't enforce the laws against pimping. That is a racial issue, one that white Britain has to look in the mirror to solve.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

These mutts selected their victims not because the offenders were Muslim but because their victims were not. That's religious discrimination right there.

The fact that they did not even have one Muslim victim speaks to what the prosecution and the media is saying about them in that they view non-Muslim girls as less than and subject to whatever abuse these filth wanted to hand out.

Even a Muslim spoke out to denounce this atrocity and he made it clear that this is a systemic cultural problem among Muslims in the UK and that this is not to be dismissed as a mere 'isolated incident'.

And ??? There are many criminal gangs and individuals across the world who do not target their own, wheter their "own" condone their actions or not. Even then at best I'll give you it was religious discrimination on the part of these criminals, at best !

But blabber butt here some how wants to paint this here as somekind of religious group who were doing the work of god through their heinous crimes. I have condemned this crime severely in both the threads, nor do I have any issues of calling it whatever, wheter it be race or cultural ( although I disagree with the cultural bit ) as long as the criminals are behind bars.

[Zipperfish]

desertdude desertdude:

Also another question comes to mind is where were the parents of these girls, not trying to take anything away from the horrendous nature of the crime or blaming the victim but it also boggles the mind that such young girls keep such company and none of the parents are aware of their wareabouts and activities or even suspicious ? I would also call this a parenting fail as well. I know people who have young children living in a different country and know about their offsprings where abouts.

It is not the fault of the victioms na dit is not the fault of the victims' parents. It is the sole fault of those who perpetrated these despicable crimes.

[EyeBrock]

I have to agree with DD. He has not made any excuses for this gang. I think he’s pretty decent for at least trying to debate this issue.

Kudos to you DD.

British society has tried to ignore the obvious fact that these were all Pakistani Muslims that specifically targeted white, Brit born females. Unfortunately the Emperor of Multi-Cult has seen to be somewhat disrobed.

The good side of this is that the cops and the establishment won’t be so ready to excuse criminal behaviour of those deemed to be the diverse side of the UK.

The bad side of this is that the Neanderthals from the racist orgs like the BNP/EDL etc will use this to further drive a wedge between Pakistani/Bangladeshi immigrants et al and the rest of the UK.

The only way things will ever get better re race/ethnicity/immigration is if our leaders stop bullshitting us with PC crap. Ignoring the issue because of perceived sensitivity has only made matters worse.

Call it as it is. Anything else is just lying.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

That's bullshit Bart. There are lots of pimps of all colors and supposed religions out there. This is no different. Sure, Islam seems to produce misogynistic men, but we've got plenty of them that were born Christian or what have you. These guys were doing it for money and power, same as any other pimp. To throw race into it just muddies the waters.

What is sad is the racism of the cops who won't enforce the laws against pimping. That is a racial issue, one that white Britain has to look in the mirror to solve.

I disagree. This is different. In this case the perpetrators were all Muslims from Pakistan and Afghanistan. At least every caught so far. And every victim was a non-Muslim. As well, there is evidence that Asians are very over-repsented in similar offences. And finally, based on my experience in Afghanistan, women are considered chattel by conservative Muslims and infidels are considered inferior. So it's not a big ideological stretch for me to see where this kind of attitude might manifest in this kind of crime.

So race and religion are most definitely a valid inquiry here.

I'm normally a tolerant kind of guy, but this incident and after that Muslim school in Ontario pushing their virulently anti-Jewish literature to the kids are pissing me off. These aren't Al Qeada extremists living in Yemen. These are British and Canadians living in British and Canadian communities.

[Lemmy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I disagree. This is different. In this case the perpetrators were all Muslims from Pakistan and Afghanistan. At least every caught so far. And every victim was a non-Muslim.

I think you're reading too much into this. Maybe they're just smart businessmen. If you're gonna run whores, which group is going to make you more money?:



or

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

Well, they have a point. We're starting to see trial reversals because nobody on the jury was aboriginal, while the defendant was. Why shouldn't these guys be able to make the same claim?

Because you and various lefty bobble heads seem to be under the impression that Muslim is a race.
Think about it. That would be like a "Christian" on trial complaining that there weren't any Christians on the jury. Is Christian a race?
Besides, he can claim there weren't any of his "peers" on the jury but he can't know that for sure. I've seen MORE than a few westerners that converted to Islam.

I think it's your head that's bobbling here. Read all the posts in the other string about this topic claiming that this is a race issue. Are they all lefties too? You want to get picky and pedantic about it fine, but you're pushing the river upstream.

Blah blah blah. Point me to one anthropological study claiming that "Muslim" is a race.
The simple fact is, your original post I responded to is nothing but crap.
I don't give a rat's ass what other posts in other threads said, I was responding to YOUR post in THIS thread.

[Brenda]

Western women are seen as loose, that's one.
Second, they MARRY Muslim women, but before they do, they f*ck (or in this case, pimp out) the loose western women. Whether they like it or not.

[PluggyRug]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Blah blah blah. Point me to one anthropological study claiming that "Muslim" is a race.
The simple fact is, your original post I responded to is nothing but crap.
I don't give a rat's ass what other posts in other threads said, I was responding to YOUR post in THIS thread.

True, Muslims are present in many races.

Except maybe Nascar.

Sorry couldn't resist.

Odd that race and religion (for some people) become merged into one entity.

[EyeBrock]

It's hard being a cowboy from Rochdale Plugs.

[PluggyRug]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's hard being a cowboy from Rochdale Plugs.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Western women are seen as loose, that's one.
Second, they MARRY Muslim women, but before they do, they f*ck (or in this case, pimp out) the loose western women. Whether they like it or not.

Brenda, the girls in this case were not 'loose' and I'm rather disappointed that you'd post such a thing. These were teenage girls (some underage) who were groomed (grooming being something that sexual predators do) and then they were plied with alcohol and perhaps even drugged and then some of them report being raped while unconscious.

Blaming the victim in any way is so...narrow minded. I expect better of you than that.

[Lemmy]

I think you misread her, Bart. She said that "western women are SEEN as loose". I took that to mean that that is how Muslim men perceive white women, not a statement about these girls whatsoever, nor about victims in particular.