[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

I think it was BF, who said they get only 4 of those per year. My experience is that there are more, but as a mom, what do I know. His gf is teacher in Ontario, so I guess he knows best.

Teachers are the highest form of life in the universe...according to the teachers and their unions...and they deserve to make far more money than the rest of us.

[Scape]

andyt andyt:

I don't think Christie wants to provoke an election right now - she's way behind. But she's also wanting to move right to fight off Cummins, so that may be part of her agenda here. Other than that it's business as usual in BC.

Tick, tock, the clock is running out. She is circling the drain and the vultures are gathering. She has been trying everything to get a platform that resonates with the voters and distances her enough from Campbell legacy. Tuesday, May 14, 2013 is closer then you think and if she runs out the clock rather then call an election on her terms she is done for.

[Gunnair]

jeff744 jeff744:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/28/bc-student-walkout-planned.html

Seems the teachers aren't the only ones that are mad.

Wonder if they'll change their mind once they start paying taxes?

[Gunnair]

Scape Scape:

andyt andyt:

I don't think Christie wants to provoke an election right now - she's way behind. But she's also wanting to move right to fight off Cummins, so that may be part of her agenda here. Other than that it's business as usual in BC.

Tick, tock, the clock is running out. She is circling the drain and the vultures are gathering. She has been trying everything to get a platform that resonates with the voters and distances her enough from Campbell legacy. Tuesday, May 14, 2013 is closer then you think and if she runs out the clock rather then call an election on her terms she is done for.

Giving the teachers more coin might mean giving a lot more unions more coin... the trough is big and the Feds are about to drop the austerity budget. BC shouldn't be too far behind on trying to put it's fiscal house in order. The message might resonate with voters if she had clue fucking one on how to be a premier and lead the province.

We can't punt her out fast enough.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Teachers are the highest form of life in the universe...according to the teachers and their unions...and they deserve to make far more money than the rest of us.

How much should a teacher get? What do you think's fair?

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Teachers are the highest form of life in the universe...according to the teachers and their unions...and they deserve to make far more money than the rest of us.

How much should a teacher get? What do you think's fair?

I'm rather happy with the current 40,000 - 80,000 mark.

[dino_bobba_renno]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I really don't know how much teachers make or if they should be in line for a pay increase but I really wish they would stop giving them more and more of those damn "teacher development " days (I.e. days off).

Funny, my current job is working for the State of California. In this I get two 'professional development days' per year.

My coworkers think I'm a fool because I apply those days to scheduled off-site training instead of just taking the days off to horse around.

I don't think they term all of the extra days off as professional days but I know they get a ton of time off. I was just complaining to my wife two weeks ago that there's no reason why my 8 year old daughter should be getting that many days off when she's in grade two, its hurting her education. My wife quickly replied that my daughter is ten and is actually in grade 4 but thats a whole other story I know she gets at least 2 to 4 extra days off a month, what ever they term the days is irrelevant, the point is that they tend to give teachers more time off as a concession to increasing wages.

[Lemmy]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

the point is that they tend to give teachers more time off as a concession to increasing wages.

Really? Where?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Lemmy Lemmy:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

the point is that they tend to give teachers more time off as a concession to increasing wages.

Really? Where?

That's just the impression I get. On your previous question:

Lemmy Lemmy:

How much should a teacher get? What do you think's fair?

80k?? I have no idea what they currently average now though so I'm not sure if that's even fair. I'm talking about grade school teachers though, profs I would imagine make more and deservedly so. I do however think people would be a bit more forgiving on the wage issue if teachers could kick the "they only work 9 months a year" stigma.

[Lemmy]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

80k?? I have no idea what they currently average now though so I'm not sure if that's even fair. I'm talking about grade school teachers though, profs I would imagine make more and deservedly so. I do however think people would be a bit more forgiving on the wage issue if teachers could kick the "they only work 9 months a year" stigma.

But the job is the job, just like if I work at selling t-shirts at the Rogers Centre, I don't work when the Jays are on the road. You're criticizing teachers for the school year. They don't make it. That's the job. Should teachers be allowed to collect unemployment during the summer? Fishermen are allowed to collect it in the winter. Do you want to pay teachers a yearly salary or do you want them on the brown envelope for part of the year? You can't have it both ways.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Lemmy Lemmy:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

80k?? I have no idea what they currently average now though so I'm not sure if that's even fair. I'm talking about grade school teachers though, profs I would imagine make more and deservedly so. I do however think people would be a bit more forgiving on the wage issue if teachers could kick the "they only work 9 months a year" stigma.

But the job is the job, just like if I work at selling t-shirts at the Rogers Centre, I don't work when the Jays are on the road. You're criticizing teachers for the school year. They don't make it. That's the job. Should teachers be allowed to collect unemployment during the summer? Fishermen are allowed to collect it in the winter. Do you want to pay teachers a yearly salary or do you want them on the brown envelope for part of the year? You can't have it both ways.

Your reading way to much into what I posted. As I said, if teachers could kick the "stigma" of working 9 months a year; ie put more effort into educating people as to how much time they do commit to their jobs. How many hours does the average salaried 9 to 5 worker put in a year? How many hours does the average teacher? Im pretty sure they put in quite a few extra hours so maybe they could start there. Rather than threatening to pull full blown strikes towards the end of school year they could implement a work to rule strike at the beginning of the school year. It wouldn't be well received but it would go over a hell of a lot better than threatening a strike at the end of the year which could drastically affect kids going into finals and pissing off the very people teachers should be looking for support from. So cool your jets.

I was going to look up my kids school calendar to add up all the extra days off minus Christmas, spring break and Easter (my kids are in separate school so they get both a spring and Easter break) but the site is down. I'm not shitting you man, 2 to 4 days a month my kids are out of school and that's not including long weekends. Does that not sound a bit excessive?

[dino_bobba_renno]

K, found this at the Taxpayers federation. It's from Sept 2011 so it's slightly dated:

BCTF demands:

$1:

•    A 22% increase in salary (the maximum would move from $74,353 to $90,944 a year).
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $618 million
•    Doubling high school prep time from one spare per rotation to two; and increasing elementary prep time from 90 minutes per week to 357. Plus: two days off to write report cards, plus one hour off per individual student interim report.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $417 million
•    Up to 10 days off for the death of any friend or relative—plus two days more if travel is involved.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $80 million
•    Sick leave provisions for Teachers On Call.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $81 million
•    Up to 26 weeks of fully paid leave per year to provide direct or indirect compaasionate care to any person.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $49 million
•   Eight days off a year whenever a teacher wants.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS $122 million
•    Topping up parental and maternity leave to allow up to 5 years of leave per child.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $41 million
•   [b] 5 more days off for professional development, at teacher’s discretion. [/b]
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $80 million
•    Up to five days off a year to care for their child or any other person.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $80 million
•    Unlimited leave for teachers for union business.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: To be determined
•    Big benefits upgrades—fully pay MSP, extended health and dental, applying to all teachers (no matter how many hours they work).
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $82 million
•    Employer pays all professional fees.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $5 million
•    A number of improvements to Teacher On Call pay, including paying them $2,200 per month whether they work or not.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $60 million
•    Retirement bonus of 5% a year to any teacher with 10 years or more service at age 55.
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: $445 million

http://taxpayer.com/blog/06-09-2011/bc-taxpayers-cant-afford-teacher-demands

Those are in addition to the existing professional development days

I appreciate the value of teachers but that's a pretty sweet deal by anyone's standards

[Brenda]

5 YEARS of maternity leave?? 10 days of for the death of a friend?? 8 days off just because?? $2.200 whether an on call teacher works or not?? 26 weeks off to take care of just ANYONE??

22% increase in wage??

Yeah, ALL for the children...

[Public_Domain]

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

5 YEARS of maternity leave?? 10 days of for the death of a friend?? 8 days off just because?? $2.200 whether an on call teacher works or not?? 26 weeks off to take care of just ANYONE??

22% increase in wage??

Yeah, ALL for the children...

Sure, their children