[ShepherdsDog]

Hangovers frighten you? You must drink like a fish if they're that bad . I've never been frightened by a hangover, in fact bed spins can be fun if you treat them like free fall.

[DerbyX]

Continuation due to a posting error.

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t is the exact same when police draw their weapons on someone with a paintball gun....YOU NEVER KNOW!

Did they find a kid holding a cleaver?

No they didn't did they. That doesn't stop you from using that cleaver story to justify all aspects of the situation does it?

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4. whether they are capable of lying or not is moot, it is whether they DID lie is what is at issue, that point neither you or I could argue as all we have is speculation.

Yet your posts and conduct suggest that you believe the cops 100% and the kid and parents zero.

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5. cops don't do this.....don't do what....you've spat so much bullshit onto this post i'm not sure of the point you're trying to 'defeat'

A nonsense statement. Ask a proper question or make a proper point.

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6. you don't have to HATE cops for your judgement to be couded....get a speeding ticket recently? parking ticked? have a friend in that situation? you been yelled at by the cops for doing something stupid? 'course you're going to deny all of it, but there is something there that has put a bug up your ass that's got you all pissy toward the police....want proof? the 11 paiges of your dancing around the issues and narrowing your arguments to subjects that have already been explained to you....more than once....like the cleaver....

That BS point can therefore be used to say everybodies judgement is clouded regardless of the subject matter.

I am surprised you even said it. Its so stupid that even those who support your view on this matter will not support that.

Patheric really.

BTW, the only people dancing are you guys when I defeat every point you make.

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so like i said, you're just blinded by your need to make a point...of some sort....i know...i did the same with my firefighter thread....in that thread i was wrong, i know that and am man enough to admit that....sounds like you need to wait for your nuts to drop before you come to the 'oh shit, i'm wrong' revelation.

keep jumping up and down....hopefully they'll fall as fast as your argument has

Its so sad that you can't even come up with a decent point and so sad that I can so easily defeat your argument.

I didn't expect much from you and you certainly met my expectations.

Pathetic attempt really. Go back to losing arguments against fireman because you certainly put in an abyssmal argument against me.

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

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that kid will never forget how scared he was sitting in the back of the cruser therefore he will not engage in actions that will put him in that situation again.

Bullshit. Ever had a hangover? I bet you got drunk again If people were not to do the things that frightened them once, the world would be a better place then it is now

I don't think Derb is wrong.

Thanks for the support Brenda.

I'm glad that there are other people out there who don't hate children.

[Heavy_Metal]

DerbyX DerbyX:

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ok, i'll spell it out for you then i'm f*cking done.

Thats right. You are done. We agree at last.

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1. heavy handed - come on....really...cuffing a kid to scare the shit out of him is called proactive policing and operant conditioning - stimulis of acting out at home = response of getting in trouble with the police - that kid will never forget how scared he was sitting in the back of the cruser therefore he will not engage in actions that will put him in that situation again.

Yes it was heavy handed. No 10 year old deserves that and I doubt it happened to you despite the almost certainty you did exactly what this kid did.

Why not have the cops pistol whip him then? Really drive the point home.

BTW, if your theory had any validity then there would be no such thing as recidivism.

Point defeated.

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2. the cleaver - man you haven't done anything to pick apart my argument that when the neighbour said 'they have a clever' THE POLICE HAVE TO ACT AS IF THAT IS A TRUE OBSERVATION the consequences of taking something like that as frivilous is the very likely possibility of death or maiming of a police officer.....

If you bothered to read at all then you should realize that all the cleaver report does is explain the initial door kicking and guns drawn and not one bit of their behaviour after the fact.

Point defeated and quite easily.

k i'll waide in again just to prove you wrong....again...

you're pistol whipping is just a rediculous comment i mean comme on, how could you possible compair cuffing to pistole whipping....and the fact that you've said that 5 freggen times just goes to show that YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE WITH.

recidivism....sooooo every criminal has had an interaction with the law at a young age to help prevent them from comitting a crime....WAKE UP most negative interaction comes during adolescence when egocentrism is rampit and the want to prove themselves to peers takes precidence over legislation....which leads to a disregard of the law...and therefore recidivism....

the child was placed in cuffs as a precaution so that he wouldn't hurt himself or others....enough said i don't know where the synaptic path is blocked so that you can't understand this. they cuff him, search him for weapons, evidence, means of escape, and throw him into the back of the cruser to wait for the parents, scare him so he doesn't repeat or continue the action that led to his arrest.

Brenda your comment is moot - go get a 10 year old wasted out of his mind, get him to puke his freggen brains out and see if he touches alcohol again....LEARNED RESPONSE.

looks like the only easy thing here is how you are chasing your already debunked claims around and around and around and around again.....

time to jump ship there derby

[ShepherdsDog]

hmmmm.

believing the police = hating children. histrionics

[Heavy_Metal]

just read your 'continuation' man you are a piece of work, i am reminded of a quote....never argue with an idiot....so i'm going to stop arguing with an idiot...


got a sign for you brenda aaahhhh...enjoy

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Hangovers frighten you? You must drink like a fish if they're that bad . I've never been frightened by a hangover, in fact bed spins can be fun if you treat them like free fall.

Yeah... You really got my point

[Brenda]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

got a sign for you brenda aaahhhh...enjoy

That's what I would use if I agreed with you

[DerbyX]

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k i'll waide in again just to prove you wrong....again...

And you will lose again.

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you're pistol whipping is just a rediculous comment i mean comme on, how could you possible compair cuffing to pistole whipping....and the fact that you've said that 5 freggen times just goes to show that YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE WITH.

The fact you keep resorting to the cleaver and iminent death for the cops prove the weakness of your argument.

If you believe that heavy handed treatment is good for children then you agree that beating them would be even better.

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recidivism....sooooo every criminal has had an interaction with the law at a young age to help prevent them from comitting a crime....WAKE UP most negative interaction comes during adolescence when egocentrism is rampit and the want to prove themselves to peers takes precidence over legislation....which leads to a disregard of the law...and therefore recidivism....

You put forth the stupid argument that the treatment would likely prevent further crime by the kid.

All you did was show your ignorance and its very apparent. Your idiocy knows no limits. If scaring people worked as a deterrrent then "deterrents" would work. They don't.

All they likely taught this child is that cops are assholes but thankfully the very child in question says otherwise. Probably lying eh?

Point easily defeated.

I am emberassed for your lack of debating skills.

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the child was placed in cuffs as a precaution so that he wouldn't hurt himself or others....enough said i don't know where the synaptic path is blocked so that you can't understand this. they cuff him, search him for weapons, evidence, means of escape, and throw him into the back of the cruser to wait for the parents, scare him so he doesn't repeat or continue the action that led to his arrest.

Bollocks. Not even a cop would say that as they know full well that the kid was not cuffed and put in a squad car for "his own protection". What a load of crap. They did it to scare the fuck out of him and no other reason.

Search him for weapons?

You are actually getting dumber by the post.

I enjoyed this. Its not often I find an opponent so pathetically outmatched that I actually feel bad for kicking his ass.

Then I remind myself you hate children and I feel better and so easily emberassing your arguments.

Do try to do better next time.

[DerbyX]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

just read your 'continuation' man you are a piece of work, i am reminded of a quote....never argue with an idiot....so i'm going to stop arguing with an idiot...


got a sign for you brenda aaahhhh...enjoy

It was too easy to defeat your arguements, such as they were.

I get the feeling that you hate this kid because he beat you up on the playground.

Its the only reasonable explanation for your hatred of him and your piss-poor showing in the debate.

Don't worry. Your teachers will be able to help you out. Just go up to them and remind them that you are an idiot and you need their help to overcome it.

[Wally_Sconce]

if they wanted to scare the crap out of him, they could have turned the kid over to social services, or handed him over to juvey hall.

[Heavy_Metal]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

just read your 'continuation' man you are a piece of work, i am reminded of a quote....never argue with an idiot....so i'm going to stop arguing with an idiot...


got a sign for you brenda aaahhhh...enjoy

It was too easy to defeat your arguements, such as they were.

I get the feeling that you hate this kid because he beat you up on the playground.

Its the only reasonable explanation for your hatred of him and your piss-poor showing in the debate.

Don't worry. Your teachers will be able to help you out. Just go up to them and remind them that you are an idiot and you need their help to overcome it.

you've got NOTHING!!!
freggen air head

[ShepherdsDog]

There have been things that I've only done once because of the consequences, as have lots of people. The chances are this kid will likely not be a problem in the future as he's been 'scared straight'. The ones pushing this entire matter seem to be the parents because they were shown, publicly, to be negligent in their supervision of their child. One kid at home for a few hours is fine....a group of kids....well many lack the experience and good judgement to know when enough is enough and all it takes is one. Will the kid learn from this? Likely. Will the parents learn? Doubtful, and if they continue in their current path, their kid won't benefit from this entire experience.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

hmmmm.

believing the police = hating children. histrionics

I didn't see you defending me when I posted that not believing these cops did not equate to hating cops.

I didn't see you admitting that because you thought the RCMP were wrong in YVR that you hated the RCMP?

I expected better from you.

Sorry I was mistaken.

[mikewood86]

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Yes it was heavy handed. No 10 year old deserves that and I doubt it happened to you despite the almost certainty you did exactly what this kid did.

Why not have the cops pistol whip him then? Really drive the point home.

BTW, if your theory had any validity then there would be no such thing as recidivism.

I just don't see how you draw comparisons to pistol whipping, and handcuffing, regardless of age. Why not get the UN to pass a resolution barring this apalling form of torture called handcuffs.

You want the police to diffuse the situation, handcuffs are a tool at the officers disposal capable of doing so. There are numerous other tools (batons, tazers, pepper spray, and their pistol) but I think the handcuffs are the way to go. Easier on the eyes and central nervous system IMO.

As stated, handcuffs are used for the safety of:
1)The Police officer(s)
2)The Suspect(s)
3)The Public

At any point, despite age, are any one of these threatend, they are allowed to put them to use. No matter what you think, this is the reality. This is why it's a policy; so officers don't have to make the personal call or let their personal opinion/public opinion sway their actions in the moment.