[OnTheIce]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Oh, and that was smooth, was it? Those Radio Canada people were looking a him as if he were a blithering idiot.

I wonder why?

Anyone that knows politics in Canada knows the man is a blithering idiot...but frankly, that doesn't matter.

The average Canadian sees a pretty dude that is a good public speaker and if he keeps his mouth shut, he'll do great in the election. He really has to limit his talking points and remember that it's tough to talk when your mouth is full of foot.

[martin14]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Oh, and that was smooth, was it? Those Radio Canada people were looking a him as if he were a blithering idiot.

I wonder why?

Because he is.

[BartSimpson]

Hypocrisy:

Ukraine's Parliament, supported by the President's own party, removed the President according to the laws of Ukraine. The United States supported the act.

When the exact same thing happened in Honduras Obama called it a 'coup' and threatened to have the US invade to put a dictator back in power.

Too bad Honduras doesn't have oil, eh?

[Strutz]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Oh, and that was smooth, was it? Those Radio Canada people were looking a him as if he were a blithering idiot.

I wonder why?

Anyone that knows politics in Canada knows the man is a blithering idiot...but frankly, that doesn't matter.

The average Canadian sees a pretty dude that is a good public speaker and if he keeps his mouth shut, he'll do great in the election. He really has to limit his talking points and remember that it's tough to talk when your mouth is full of foot.

True.

As completely inappropriate as the comment is people will overlook it. Glancing through the comments sections on the news article on the CBC & CTV site it seems to be the attitude that too big of a deal is being made of it.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's Ukrainians against Russians, not right against left.

You deny that Ukraine has right wing parties, and that the extreme right is responsible for most of the protester violence? You live in la la land.

Andy, the left/right paradigm does not apply in every single aspect of human interaction. And, this may be a shock to you, but the minimum wage has also not been a factor in the strife in Ukraine.

If you knew Russian propaganda patterns the same way plenty of other people do you'd know that when they trot out the 'right wing hooligan' meme it's just to demonize the other side by dredging up the collective memory of the Nazis laying seige to Stalingrad, Moscow, and Leningrad.

If YOU were leading the resistance in Ukraine the Russians would predictably denounce you as a 'right wing hooligan'.

It's just how they roll.

You obviously can't take in the information I posted. Nothing to do with Russian propaganda, just fact.

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Anything the Russian media has to say about Ukraine can be safely ignored, at least for now.

Yep. Svoboda, just Russian propaganda. Pravy Sektor, just Russian propaganda.

Idiots

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You know what this situation needs....a little humour!

That's not funny.



That's utterly fucking retarded.




And some people want this fuckwit as PM ?

How can his supporters be so stupid as to vote for him ?

There are fuckwit PMs all the time who have stupid supporters voting for them...

At least if we base that on stupid gaffs...

[saturn_656]

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Anything the Russian media has to say about Ukraine can be safely ignored, at least for now.

Yep. Svoboda, just Russian propaganda. Pravy Sektor, just Russian propaganda.

Idiots

So the mere presence of Svoboda at the Maidan is justification enough to paint the entire opposition as terrorists and far right fascists?

Stupid.

[andyt]

It's not a great joke, but it has a lot of truth in it. We do fear Russian aggression, and Russia losing hockey is not going to make Putin very happy - because he can't reflect the glory on himself, as he wanted. Putin in in power by his reputation as a tough guy who stands up for Russia. There will be a lot of pressure on him to act tough, not just talk. Guys like him look invincible one minute, but can easily topple if they lose their rep. Russia having won gold in hockey might have mollified the Russians a bit. Stranger things have happened where small events play a big role in much larger happenings.

I don't see anything JT said that demeans the lives lost or the protests as a whole.

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Anything the Russian media has to say about Ukraine can be safely ignored, at least for now.

Yep. Svoboda, just Russian propaganda. Pravy Sektor, just Russian propaganda.

Idiots

So the mere presence of Svoboda at the Maidan is justification enough to paint the entire opposition as terrorists and far right fascists?

Stupid.

And who did that, exactly?

Idiot

[saturn_656]

andyt andyt:

And who did that?

Idiot

The Russian media.

Dullard

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

andyt andyt:

And who did that?

Idiot

The Russian media.

Dullard

So why are you dragging me into this? You used Bart trying to deny my post that the extreme right has a large presence in Ukraine, and at the protests, to make your comment on.

Of course the Russians are spewing propaganda. You want to comment on that, don't bounce it off the bullshit that Bart is trying to lay on me.

[saturn_656]

andyt andyt:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

andyt andyt:

And who did that?

Idiot

The Russian media.

Dullard

So why are you dragging me into this? You used Bart trying to deny my post that the extreme right has a large presence in Ukraine, and at the protests, to make your comment on.

Of course the Russians are spewing propaganda. You want to comment on that, don't bounce it off the bullshit that Bart is trying to lay on me.

I didn't drag you into anything. You jumped in yourself when you replied to my comment on the Russian media. Remember?

While most reports acknowledge the presence of the righty extremists, the only ones saying they are a large part of the movement is the Russian media. They're overblowing the presence and influence of the extremists for the reasons Bart already stated.

[andyt]

Ok, I may owe you an apology. I read Bart and Fiddledick's posts, which seem hellbent on denying that there are far rightists among the protesters and that most of the violence from the protest side came from the far rightists. They are a danger to this working out well just as much as the Russian side. The far right are a significant part of the whole deal, as shown by the number of members they have in parliament. They're not like our skin heads that have no legitimacy.

So I assumed you were chiming in on that. If not, I apologize.

[saturn_656]

andyt andyt:

Ok, I may owe you an apology. I read Bart and Fiddledick's posts, which seem hellbent on denying that there are far rightists among the protesters and that most of the violence from the protest side came from the far rightists. They are a danger to this working out well just as much as the Russian side. The far right are a significant part of the whole deal, as shown by the number of members they have in parliament. They're not like our skin heads that have no legitimacy.

So I assumed you were chiming in on that. If not, I apologize.

No worries.

Far right Svoboda is the second smallest party in the parliament, just four seats ahead of the far left Communist Party (which was aligned with Yanukovich BTW). Neither is any position to lead or make policy and can only influence through participation in a coalition.

Svoboda's followers may have been the most violent of the protestors, but I wouldn't say they were anywhere near a majority of them and the entire opposition shouldn't be tarred with the same brush. The opposition is a diverse bunch and there were many different reasons for opposing Yanukovich, not all of them universally shared I'm sure.