[bambu]

I know that its death penalty system is 'barbaric' and its legal system is 'corrupt'.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Government-Misconduct.php

Government Misconduct

Some wrongful convictions are caused by honest mistakes. But in far too many cases, the very people who are responsible for ensuring truth and justice — law enforcement officials and prosecutors — lose sight of these obligations and instead focus solely on securing convictions.

The cases of wrongful convictions uncovered by DNA testing are filled with evidence of negligence, fraud or misconduct by prosecutors or police departments.



http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Unreliable-Limited-Science.php

Unreliable or Improper Forensic Science

Since the late 1980s, DNA analysis has helped identify the guilty and exonerate the innocent nationwide. While DNA testing was developed through extensive scientific research at top academic centers, many other forensic techniques — such as hair microscopy, bite mark comparisons, firearm tool mark analysis and shoe print comparisons — have never been subjected to rigorous scientific evaluation.

Meanwhile, forensics techniques that have been properly validated — such as serology, commonly known as blood typing — are sometimes improperly conducted or inaccurately conveyed in trial testimony.
In some cases, forensic analysts have fabricated results or engaged in other misconduct.

[bambu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWxpQ87C4t4

Torture in American prisons

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Charming.

[stratos]

Well lets just say that you are more then welcome never to come to Texas thus you will never have to risk going to jail here. If you do happen to come to Texas and break the law be prepared to be treated like any other criminal.

[Brenda]

bambu bambu:

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

And how does the inmate get feed? What do you do if the inmate refuses to return to his/her cell when their time outside is over. How do you administer health care to the inmate. How do you do the laundry exchange let alone move the inmate to and from court, visits and religous services. There are a vast number of things that you have not even covered.

I was typing the exact same things you just pointed out, and decided to delete it. You can't teach the stupid...

I take it he thinks that being in prison means you spend your time in solitary confinement.

The worst of the worst should be.

Maybe you should move to a more 'barbaric' country. Here, and in Texas, people actually have rights. And none of them, except the one that says you can travel, is taken away when you are sentenced to jail.

$1:

If they're not, then guards and other inmates are always going to be at some risk.

Why do you care about other inmates? Don't all inmates deserve the worst of the worst?

$1:

One day Texas will be stopped from execution-homiciding human beings...so they might as well 'enjoy' their system while they have it.
The day of abolition draws ever closer.

And you think that day is there when they run out of whatsitcalled?

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

$1:

Says much the same about homosexuals?...or that they are evil and will be going to hell?

Wrong the bible does not condem homosexuals to death. Mark that as a fail for you and your use of the bible to back you up.

Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

[BartSimpson]

bambu bambu:

The Bible was written long ago...today we live in more enlightened times.

We're not more enlightened, we've just found new ways to be ignorant.

[Jabberwalker]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

$1:

Says much the same about homosexuals?...or that they are evil and will be going to hell?

Wrong the bible does not condem homosexuals to death. Mark that as a fail for you and your use of the bible to back you up.

Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

Far be it for me to comment on theological subjects, but I was led to believe that the New Testament teachings supersede that old testament Jewish law in the Christian world, anyway.

[bambu]

Brenda,

Texas' death penalty system is 'barbaric'.
Killing human beings...really, Texas/Texans should be better than that, and just have a life sentence no parole as the maximum sentence.
Not every worst of the worst is execution-homicided, and death chambers are only pure 'revenge'.

All inmates deserve to be housed in a safe environment.
Not stripped naked and beaten by guards.
Not zapped with cattle prods.
Not verbally abused.
Not sprayed with gas by guards, causing severe burns etc.
Not tied in chairs for 16 hours, they dying from blod clots.
Not bashed senseless or to death by guards.
etc
...as in Texas and other US prisons.


The day of abolition does draw closer.
But not because Texas runs out of some death chamber drug...paralyse the person about to have their life extinguished, so that their pain and horror cannot be seen, then pump them full of poison.
People in Texas will one day rebel against this.
Obviously not yet, but one day.

[Curtman]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

$1:

Says much the same about homosexuals?...or that they are evil and will be going to hell?

Wrong the bible does not condem homosexuals to death. Mark that as a fail for you and your use of the bible to back you up.

Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

Saw a good retort on Facebook the other day:

$1:

On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite in...formative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[bambu]

LOL

[DrCaleb]

Curtman Curtman:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

Wrong the bible does not condem homosexuals to death. Mark that as a fail for you and your use of the bible to back you up.

Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

Saw a good retort on Facebook the other day:

$1:

On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite in...formative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Retort for what? Stratos was incorrect that the Bible does not condem homosexuality by punishment of death.

And that old saw is just a rehash of:

[Curtman]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Retort for what? Stratos was incorrect that the Bible does not condem homosexuality by punishment of death.

And that old saw is just a rehash of:

Old or new and improved bible though? We've got version 2 now, and thats why we have rainbows.

[DrCaleb]

Curtman Curtman:

Old or new and improved bible though? We've got version 2 now, and thats why we have rainbows.

That's exactly why I dislike that book. I like it's inherent morality, but it's subject to the whims of whoever is reprinting it.

I like going back to the Dead Sea Scroll translations. For example, Depending on the Sect, which version of Bible and whether you read if from Exodus or Deuteronomy, the 5th, 6th or 7th commandment is:

"Thou shalt not kill"

but, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, it's:

"You shall not murder".

Slight differences, but an important one. And fewer middlemen.

[stratos]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

Far be it for me to comment on theological subjects, but I was led to believe that the New Testament teachings supersede that old testament Jewish law in the Christian world, anyway.

And Dr. you will see that it does not say how they shall die, this is understood to mean that God will see to their deaths. Thus not a offense that will be a death sentence by the state, as in being stoned to death.


Jabberwalker there are also a couple lines in the new testement condeming homsexuality. But as a sin not as a need for the death sentence to be imposed.

[stratos]

$1:

"Thou shalt not kill"

but, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, it's:

"You shall not murder".

Slight differences, but an important one. And fewer middlemen.

From what I've read on this is that the Thou shall not kill is a mistranslation and the thou shall not murder is the correct one.