[Yogi]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

$1:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Would I be correct in assessing that your position is to fight illegal acts with illegal acts?

If that's what it takes to gain control of a situation, then by all means yes!

Keep in mind though, that my position is, and always has been, as a reaction to an 'intrusion' I don't support a 'Deathwish I-II-III-IV " Let's get our guns and go out and clean up the 'hood" type mentality.
If the 'bad guys' aren't going to 'play by the rules' then I am more than willing to 'meet them on their level'.

You're better than them how? What you are doing is illegal - no different than them.[/quote]
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Not instigating the situation puts me 'above and beyond'. I'm 'mindin my own' up until that moment. Reacting to the situation that 'they' have set up.
At the very moment that another confronts me, with the intention of robbing me, or doing me harm, then they have just put a material value on their own life and well-being'.

They lose![/quote][/quote]

Mmm.

Well in Canada, it would be highly likely that your conduct and judgement would garner criminal charges.

It's not really a reasonable viewpoint and a jury would look at what is ‘reasonable’ and citizens using a level of force deemed by a jury of their peers as 'excessive' would be looking at a criminal conviction and possible jail.[/quote]


'Been there, done that'. The price of 'doing business'!

[Gunnair]

Yogi Yogi:

Yogi Yogi:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Would I be correct in assessing that your position is to fight illegal acts with illegal acts?

If that's what it takes to gain control of a situation, then by all means yes!

Keep in mind though, that my position is, and always has been, as a reaction to an 'intrusion' I don't support a 'Deathwish I-II-III-IV " Let's get our guns and go out and clean up the 'hood" type mentality.
If the 'bad guys' aren't going to 'play by the rules' then I am more than willing to 'meet them on their level'.

You're better than them how? What you are doing is illegal - no different than them.[/quote]
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Not instigating the situation puts me 'above and beyond'. I'm 'mindin my own' up until that moment. Reacting to the situation that 'they' have set up.
At the very moment that another confronts me, with the intention of robbing me, or doing me harm, then they have just put a material value on their own life and well-being'.

They lose![/quote]

I guess if they put 'a price tag of a weedeater' on their life, then they have made a poor choice indeed.[/quote]

That's the same mentality that has kids shooting people over cigarettes and IPods.

[Yogi]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yogi, are you just lookng for a fight or summat? You 'aint making a lot of sense on this subject.

Neither, EB. My 'unshakeable' point being that a swift, severe response will have an everlasting effect on the 'bad guys'. I don't fault our police, rather I view our justice system with great disdain.

At the very moment the 'bad guys' have decided to do 'bad stuff', they have already set the rules of engagement. Que serra, serra!

[EyeBrock]

Er, roger that, out.

[ASLplease]

in the US, cops are allowed to shoot at fleeing criminals, this was only a citizens arrest imo

[PublicAnimalNo9]

ASLplease ASLplease:

in the US, cops are allowed to shoot at fleeing criminals, this was only a citizens arrest imo

They are only allowed to shoot at those that are a clear danger, not unarmed quad or petty gas thieves.

Once again, the confrontation was OVER BEFORE the fucktard even pulled his gun out!
If they were dangerous, I'm pretty damn sure a grandfather and grandson and one other kid wouldn't have prevented them from escalating the situation.
Hell, I could even understand shooting them if they had some sort of weapons as well, even if they were fleeing the scene, but his shooting discipline sucked to the point of gross negligence and you fucking know it! Yeah he got a lucky hit, lucky it didn't hit someone else.
Not to mention he went beyond self defense and into vigilantism.
You keep yammering on about the need to defend youself, so how do you reconcile defense with shooting people that are fleeing the scene?
Please explain to me where the self defense comes in.

Are you essentially advocating MUCH more than just self defense when you want to carry a gun?

[ASLplease]

you should worry more about teaching your son not to steal quads, then you'd be getting to the root cause of this problem. No thief, no problem.

[EyeBrock]

Yea, thieves should be shot eh?

Nice 18th century attitude.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yea, thieves should be shot eh?

Nice 18th century attitude.

Your voice of reason is lost in a sea of hypocrititcal idiocy...

[EyeBrock]

Yea, these internet tough-guys with guns eh?

Thanks though Gunnair.

[ASLplease]

not meaning to give you guys a hard time, but seem to be spending way too much time worrying about theives getting shot instead of raising your kids not to steal. It sounds a lot like the speeder that whines when he get a speeding ticket.

quads are expensive. it is more like grand theft auto than it is like stealing a person's bicycle. I sense an effort to trivialize theft of expensive items. I know from exerience, stealing a man's quad is stealing several years worth of bank payments which represents a lot of work for him.

In the old west, horse theives were hung. I'll bet there were alot less parents teaching their kids its ok to steal horses, compared to the amount of liberals that are teaching their kids that stealing large items like quads is ok.

"dont worry, billy. if you get caught, they can't shoot you in the back"

[PublicAnimalNo9]

ASLplease ASLplease:

In the old west, horse theives were hung.

Get a passport , a time machine, and have a nice trip.

And personally, I could care less how well endowed horse thieves were back then

[andyt]

ASLplease ASLplease:

not meaning to give you guys a hard time, but seem to be spending way too much time worrying about theives getting shot instead of raising your kids not to steal. It sounds a lot like the speeder that whines when he get a speeding ticket.

quads are expensive. it is more like grand theft auto than it is like stealing a person's bicycle. I sense an effort to trivialize theft of expensive items. I know from exerience, stealing a man's quad is stealing several years worth of bank payments which represents a lot of work for him.

In the old west, horse theives were hung. I'll bet there were alot less parents teaching their kids its ok to steal horses, compared to the amount of liberals that are teaching their kids that stealing large items like quads is ok.

"dont worry, billy. if you get caught, they can't shoot you in the back"

Nope, I agree with you. Anybody comes on your property, then turns around and leaves deserves to be shot in the back. You must be hell on postmen, pardon me, mail delivery personnel.

[Gunnair]

ASLplease ASLplease:

not meaning to give you guys a hard time, but seem to be spending way too much time worrying about theives getting shot instead of raising your kids not to steal. It sounds a lot like the speeder that whines when he get a speeding ticket.

quads are expensive. it is more like grand theft auto than it is like stealing a person's bicycle. I sense an effort to trivialize theft of expensive items. I know from exerience, stealing a man's quad is stealing several years worth of bank payments which represents a lot of work for him.

In the old west, horse theives were hung. I'll bet there were alot less parents teaching their kids its ok to steal horses, compared to the amount of liberals that are teaching their kids that stealing large items like quads is ok.

"dont worry, billy. if you get caught, they can't shoot you in the back"

You're as contemptable as the thief, if not more so because you think your illegal actions are somehow alright. At least the thief knows he's doing wrong.

No matter how you try to buttress your arguments to attain the moral highground, you are wallowing below the ethical sea level.

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

ASLplease ASLplease:

not meaning to give you guys a hard time, but seem to be spending way too much time worrying about theives getting shot instead of raising your kids not to steal. It sounds a lot like the speeder that whines when he get a speeding ticket.

quads are expensive. it is more like grand theft auto than it is like stealing a person's bicycle. I sense an effort to trivialize theft of expensive items. I know from exerience, stealing a man's quad is stealing several years worth of bank payments which represents a lot of work for him.

In the old west, horse theives were hung. I'll bet there were alot less parents teaching their kids its ok to steal horses, compared to the amount of liberals that are teaching their kids that stealing large items like quads is ok.

"dont worry, billy. if you get caught, they can't shoot you in the back"

You're as contemptable as the thief, if not more so because you think your illegal actions are somehow alright. At least the thief knows he's doing wrong.

No matter how you try to buttress your arguments to attain the moral highground, you are wallowing below the ethical sea level.

wow, gunny, waxing poetic a little early today ?