[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

though the claims of Obama not being born in Hawaii are tiresome and race-based.

Obama's Kenyan grandmother is the root source of these claims as she started the ball rolling by claiming she was present at Obama's birth in Kenya.

So is she a racist because she said this?

Myself, I'm sufficiently convinced that he was born in Hawai'i but I'm also convinced that there's something profoundly embarrassing to the man on his original birth certificate and that's why he will not release it like everyone else who becoems President does.

Likely is the OBC has his religion down as 'Muslim' since that was the faith of his father and his mother at the time.

[angler57]

In a little over 12 hours from now, my wife and I will go to vote.
At that point a black-shirted Gestapo agent will demand our papers.
Now wait a minute our 83 year old neighbor lady will ask for a
photo I.D. and proof of our address.
Now she has known us forever but a few years ago the Federal Gov-a-ment required this be done.
When we go to get an auto license or drivers license we must show our papers.
If we wish to file legal papers showing our papers is necessary.
None of this is new.
But, now since it involves Illegal
Aliens (Hispanics) it has become a NAZI practice.
Now the wife and I do not object to this practice. It keeps everything on the Up and UP.
Law abiding citizens should not object to obeying the laws.
If you do object, use the courts to right the wrong.
Self help is not a part of the law.

[BartSimpson]

angler57 angler57:

In a little over 12 hours from now, my wife and I will go to vote.
At that point a black-shirted Gestapo agent will demand our papers.
Now wait a minute our 83 year old neighbor lady will ask for a
photo I.D. and proof of our address.
Now she has known us forever but a few years ago the Federal Gov-a-ment required this be done.
When we go to get an auto license or drivers license we must show our papers.
If we wish to file legal papers showing our papers is necessary.
None of this is new.
But, now since it involves Illegal
Aliens (Hispanics) it has become a NAZI practice.
Now the wife and I do not object to this practice. It keeps everything on the Up and UP.
Law abiding citizens should not object to obeying the laws.
If you do object, use the courts to right the wrong.
Self help is not a part of the law.

Are you in the USA? If so, there is no Federal requirement for you to produce an ID in order to vote.

[Gunnair]

angler57 angler57:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop policing the forum angler. It's getting tiresome.

Your mom sucks. Zing!

Fine with me. If you consider insulting anothers mother honourable and reasonable behavior in Canada and England, if I recall properly.
Who are we to question your reasoning.

To us southern folks that ia a no, no.
Would not say something like that to a man facing you.

But, as I say it's fine with me. It' your honour and not mine.

A man is known by his word and his deeds. Or is that different among some people?

The poster who did it was American. Take it up with him then.

[Trenacker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I vehemently disagree. The opposition to Obama has more to do with his policies than his race.

Mr_Canada correctly addressed the discrepancy between your impression of my argument and what was actually said.

The set of persons who criticize President Obama is not exclusively racist. Many are simply playing the old game of partisan politics. Party is a heuristic; they have distilled Democratic ideology into a handful of talking points often divorced from reality; and they spit in his eye because he's a liberal in a position of power and they are self-identified conservatives. Others oppose specific policies, sometime convincingly, and sometimes not. It was the same with George W. Bush: many of his most enthusiastic critics hewed to a one-dimensional caricature of the man and his values.

$1:

In a little over 12 hours from now, my wife and I will go to vote.
At that point a black-shirted Gestapo agent will demand our papers.
Now wait a minute our 83 year old neighbor lady will ask for a
photo I.D. and proof of our address.
Now she has known us forever but a few years ago the Federal Gov-a-ment required this be done.
When we go to get an auto license or drivers license we must show our papers.
If we wish to file legal papers showing our papers is necessary.
None of this is new.
But, now since it involves Illegal
Aliens (Hispanics) it has become a NAZI practice.
Now the wife and I do not object to this practice. It keeps everything on the Up and UP.
Law abiding citizens should not object to obeying the laws.
If you do object, use the courts to right the wrong.
Self help is not a part of the law.

The 83-year-old neighbor will request that you furnish proof of your identification. Considering the consequences that might result from organized fraud, that request is not unreasonable.

The law requires that you carry identification while operating a motor vehicle. This is reasonable for the same reason indicated above.

According to the Constitution, you are entitled to an expectation -- and the fact -- of privacy on your person, unless reasonably suspected of having committed a crime.

[Public_Domain]

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

And again - if either Repubs or Dems were serious about stopping illegal immigration, they would go after the people who employ them. This law is just grandstanding to a particular base, most of whom probably employ illegals themselves, either directly or indirectly.

I agree, the employers should be prosecuted and there's a Federal law that makes hiring someone whow does not qualify to work in the USA (this is ascertained on the I-9 form) is a crime. But it is a crime that the Federal government doesn't often enforce because the fucking Democrats don't want it enforced. See, what happens is these illegal aliens take root here and have kids and those kids vote Democrat in overwhelming numbers so the Democrats tacitly support illegal immigration because they're a bunch of vote-buying, treasonous whores.

Wrong, Bart. Don't forget Republicans have been in control of the White House, Congress, Senate, and State Captials too, stop pretending the entire US has been under Democrat rule for the past 50 years. The fact is that BUSINESSES dont want the law enforced. Just like pollution, wages, workplace safety or anything else, corporations spend big money on campaign donations and lobbying to make sure the laws are poorly enforced and the penalties are light. They have more infulence than any minority group with below average income.

[angler57]

Barts words
Are you in the USA? If so, there is no Federal requirement for you to produce an ID in order to vote

Well Bart maybe out on the coast where the leaders of the free world think they run the world. Maybe that is true. Maybe you are right and this is a State Law.
Nerry the less it is required in Indiana.
The point is, it is no problem if you have NOTHING to hide.

[angler57]

Wrong, Bart. Don't forget Republicans have been in control of the White House, Congress, Senate, and State Captials too, stop pretending the entire US has been under Democrat rule for the past 50 years. The fact is that BUSINESSES dont want the law enforced. Just like pollution, wages, workplace safety or anything else, corporations spend big money on campaign donations and lobbying to make sure the laws are poorly enforced and the penalties are light. They have more infulence than any minority group with below average income.

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Good words. Both parties are knee deep in credit and blame here.
Have never voted a Straight ticket. Each party has good and bad seeds.
Have studied and voted for sure, good guys/gals and in the end they became bad.
Asked our US district congressman one day after church what happens in D.C. that changes really nice guys into rubber stamps for the party.
He just walked away from me. His right of course. But, read shortly after where he recieved a million point two from the party (after a key vote) for the upcoming election.
Now he's a nice guy and wife and I like him and his family. But, today he will not get our vote.
Last election we voted for him.
Don't think this is a US thing but typical everywhere poeple are asked to choose their leaders

[andyt]

angler57 angler57:

Asked our US district congressman one day after church what happens in D.C. that changes really nice guys into rubber stamps for the party.
He just walked away from me.

Maybe you want to move to NYC. I saw a congressman from there on the Bill Maher show, who said "if congressmen didn't have to spend 5 hrs a day on the phone begging rich people for money, they might actually get some work done in Washington." If they don't beg for money, they won't get re-elected, since, especially by recent Supreme court decision, money talks in the US.

And in all countries, the pols see all that govt money flowing thru their hands, that they can use to bribe the people who gave it to them in the first place, and I'm sure it's hard to resist the idea that just a little bit should stick to their hands on the way thru.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Wrong, Bart. Don't forget Republicans have been in control of the White House, Congress, Senate, and State Captials too, stop pretending the entire US has been under Democrat rule for the past 50 years. The fact is that BUSINESSES dont want the law enforced. Just like pollution, wages, workplace safety or anything else, corporations spend big money on campaign donations and lobbying to make sure the laws are poorly enforced and the penalties are light. They have more infulence than any minority group with below average income.

So where's all the Republicans protesting against this law and why is it that the law was passed EXCLUSIVELY by Republicans and opposed EXCLUSIVELY by Democrats?

And, by the way, since 2006 the Democrats get far more in corporate donations than do the Republicans - this according to left-wing NPR.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... t=1&f=1001

[BartSimpson]

angler57 angler57:

Barts words
Are you in the USA? If so, there is no Federal requirement for you to produce an ID in order to vote

Well Bart maybe out on the coast where the leaders of the free world think they run the world. Maybe that is true. Maybe you are right and this is a State Law.
Nerry the less it is required in Indiana.
The point is, it is no problem if you have NOTHING to hide.

It doesn't matter what state I live in as there is still no Federal law or requirement for you to have an ID in order to vote. And that's not a 'maybe'.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

So where's all the Republicans protesting against this law and why is it that the law was passed EXCLUSIVELY by Republicans and opposed EXCLUSIVELY by Democrats?

Answer is explained by your next words...

$1:

And, by the way, since 2006 the Democrats get far more in corporate donations than do the Republicans

Also, Repubs aren't in power right now therefore the Rush Limbaughs and the likes have nothing to lose and everything to gain from stirring the pot and getting the right-wing vote out. At the State level in Arizona, you'll notice things aren't so clear-cut along party lines. And why do you think none of the other Republican states, including Texas refuse to go the same route?

Why didn't the Repubs do anything when the controlled both houses of the Congress all those years, and what the excuse for controlling those AND the White House?

Immigration is an interesting issue because it cuts across party lines and makes strange bedfellows. Big business and immigrant activists team up as pro-immigration while right-wing rednecks and 'socialist' labour unions team up against it. Then you have fundamentalist muslims and Christian bible-thumpers teaming up to denounce homosexuality, etc. Its fun to watch. Regardless of the outcome, every political party has skin in the game and stands to lose on this issue when they're in power, and absolutely everything to gain when they're not.

[BartSimpson]

My point, which you are substantiating, is that "big business" is not yanking the chain of the GOP on this issue.

[rickc]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 2351.story Its cinco de Mayo.Downtown Las Vegas is full of taco stands,and the Corona is flowing.What better day to dispell one of the many myths about Mexicans.The myth of the poor Mexican.We are told{and I have seen it repeated in this thread} that the poor Mexican sneaks into the States to work crappy,low paying jobs.Jobs that Americans do not want to do.That is their mantra.Check out the posted website.The culinary spokesman is bragging about how maids make$13 an hour,and cooks make$16 an hour.Who do you suppose these maids and cooks are? If you guessed Mexicans,you are correct.I work in a medium size hotel/casino in Las Vegas.We have over three thousand employees.90% of our employees are Mexican.Less than 1% of them speak English.The culinary union negotiates different contracts with different hotels.The maids in my hotel make $14 an hour.The rate is $15 an hour at the Wynn hotel and casino.The maids are pysically at work 8 hours a day.One of those hours is spent eating a free lunch{on the clock}at the helps hall.The helps hall gets the food from the same kitchen that prepares the food for the hotel buffet.Not a bad gig.Getting paid $14 an hour to eat food that the hotel guest pays $20 to eat.We have about six Americans working in housekeeping at my hotel.We have zero Americans working in our kitchens.Thats right!Zero Americans in the kitchens.All the porters,busboys,dishwashers,and cooks are Mexican.$17 an hour to cook.These people pay $30 a month union dues.Those dues get them thier medical,dental,vision,and pension.Thats right,a guaranteed pension.Remember those? Not to many of them left in the States these days.Are you going to tell me that Americans do not want to cook and clean for $17 an hour? I call bullshit!Millions of Americans make less than $17 an hour.I am sure that there a quite a few Canadians that would like to make $17 an hour.How did this happen? Go to culinary union 226.org.You will notice that the President and vice president are Hispanic.Hispanics have taken over the Unions in the Southwest.They are stacking the deck in thier favor,and hiring their own.They are helping illegals forge and falsify paperwork.This is also true with the laborers and carpenters unions.We have no Americans in our carpentor shop.They make $26 an hour,with an additional $6 an hour going to the pension fund.Tell me no American carpenter wants to work for $32 an hour.You don't have to take my word for it.Go to the website.It was all they could do to come up pictures of two white men.One of those worked for the union itself,the other white guy had a Hispanic name.Look at the pictures of the union members picketing.Thousands of Mexicans,thats who they represent.Check out the part of the website where they brag about getting immigration clauses in the last contract.What might that entail? Check out the part where they discuss project citizenship.The union is spending union dues to help these people become citezens.Since when has that become a function of a union? Jobs that Americans don't want to do? More like jobs that have been stolen from Americans by hijacked unions.Unions that should be investigated and shut down for breaking immigration law.I say use RICO against these thugs.